'Amicable resolution' over Ryall driveway defecation

A PENSIONER who had his drive fouled by a binman has reached an 'amicable resolution' with the council concerned.

On Saturday, March 9, we reported how the desperate dustman had fouled a driveway in Ryall, near Upton-upon-Severn, much to the disgust of the homeowner.

The binman, who has since been disciplined by Malvern Hills District Council and removed form the round, admitted the incident - on January 17 - when confronted by his bosses.

Chris Bocock, chief executive of the council, said: "The council has reached an amicable resolution with the resident on the initial complaint about the behaviour of a member of our refuse and recycling team, and other matters of concern, and both parties consider the matter to be closed."

Comments(27)

TDH123 says...
7:26pm Thu 14 Mar 13

This does not detract from the concerns of the council tax-payers that such individuals with disgusting, primitive habits should not be employed by the council.
I hope that the council met the demands by the pensioner for £1500 compensation and did not succeed in fobbing him off.

sarah and her chickens says...
8:53pm Thu 14 Mar 13

I hope they did not pay him with my council tax though.

sarah and her chickens says...
8:56pm Thu 14 Mar 13

oh hang on . Yes they did.

Horatio One says...
9:26pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Please let them **** on my drive next . Please !

jb says...
6:51am Fri 15 Mar 13

I'd rather see council tax going towards paying this chap compensation rather than paying the wages of the filthy individual who used his driveway as a public convenience.

sarah and her chickens says...
8:04am Fri 15 Mar 13

I agree jb but I would rather the filthy chap compensated him from his wages. If they won t sack him then at least he should pay,not us.

lucy41 says...
8:11am Fri 15 Mar 13

Oh sarahs back again, this women has some issues shes on every news feed local and national. How do you know he didnt pay it himself and do you have hard proof compensation was paid??? They may have just agreed and end off its just so boring you have jumped on every news feed regarding this issue, so binmen dont pay council tax, NOT. Out of 6 comments today 3 of them are yours very sad!!!!

sarah and her chickens says...
10:22am Fri 15 Mar 13

Lucy41. Very simply the council released a statement after 5pm yesterday stating that a financial settlement had been made.
If you can confirm that the gunman paid this fine himself that's great. All is fine. Portmoth 41 could have taken a civil action no debt against said poo man. But either the officers or the gunman should pay compensation.
Not the tax payer. I did not poo on your drive neither do i sanction the way he behaved.

Maggie Would says...
11:16am Fri 15 Mar 13

Gunman? Am I missing something here?

sarah and her chickens says...
11:20am Fri 15 Mar 13

Gunman ,Binman predictive text is an interesting thing !

lucy41 says...
12:05pm Fri 15 Mar 13

sarah and her chickens wrote:
Gunman ,Binman predictive text is an interesting thing !
Look what u have started now saying the poor bloke is a gunman!!! What's wrong with you?? all because you have incorrectly spelt binman just drop it!!!! if that is the case the bloke got compensation then why do you feel the need to keep on and on!!!!

Allan Whitehead says...
12:15pm Fri 15 Mar 13

While this article is not specifically highlighting what the actual crime was.
If the accused defecated then his parent had not potty trained him correctly. However, if he urinated on this driveway. It begs the question why they did not request to use the of the property owners toilet.
It must be a very distressing for person who works outside doing a full time job with no public conveniences available.
Why this person fouled someone’s driveway has not been made clear why this employee was placed in this terrible position. Sarah makes a very moot point. Let us hope the compensation is not from the Council Tax Fund.
While others attack, what Sarah and her chickens have said, one thing is! When a senior officer makes a statement “that amicable resolution with the resident” monies will certainly have changed hands. Whose monies one can only guess?

BadgerMash says...
12:27pm Fri 15 Mar 13

An inevitable result of the closure of so many public toilets. Anyone who works outside in even a semi-rural area now constantly runs the risk of prosecution.

sarah and her chickens says...
12:31pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Calm down Lucy41.why should i not voice my opinion.
You asked if i had proof of compensation payment and i answered you.
If the officers and the Binman had managed this whole thing better it would have remained private. They didn't and so the drive owner went to the press.
If it is upsetting people then i am afraid that there is only one person to blame and its not me.

Casmal says...
12:59pm Fri 15 Mar 13

jb wrote:
I'd rather see council tax going towards paying this chap compensation rather than paying the wages of the filthy individual who used his driveway as a public convenience.
What I take objection to is that OUR money is still being used to pay the binman and was probably used to compensate the owner of the drive as well. If blogs on this subject are to be believed, then this man has urinated twice on this drive and then committed a third offence by not only defecating, but using toilet paper and leaving both in the drive. He could have used a bin bag, but no. He could have cleared it up, but no. Yes it is difficult for employees working where there is not ready access to a toilet, but however desperate you were, would you use someone's drive? Would you be likely to have toilet paper with you? If it was in a place where people might see it or walk into it, would you just leave it when you had had the means to clear it up? This is inexcusable behaviour, yet someone at the top has decided that he should keep his job; that other people must clear up his mess and that, most likely, us council tax payers should pay the compensation. How this can be considered proper, fair and just is beyond me.

Allan Whitehead says...
1:07pm Fri 15 Mar 13

sarah and her chickens wrote:
Calm down Lucy41.why should i not voice my opinion.
You asked if i had proof of compensation payment and i answered you.
If the officers and the Binman had managed this whole thing better it would have remained private. They didn't and so the drive owner went to the press.
If it is upsetting people then i am afraid that there is only one person to blame and its not me.
Sarah, I read that you stated compensation was reported in some article.
However, I must disagree, with your latest comment re-managing the service. Officers, are paid very good salaries to manage, the refuse disposable officer (Bin Men) are only paid for collecting refuse from its pick up point as laid down by a well-paid officer of the Council. Those in the front line of the service (bin men) are only doing what they are employed to do empty bins.

sarah and her chickens says...
1:28pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Ah you misunderstand me.
The council waited until the gazette had gone to print before releasing that a financial settlement had been released.
As Casmal says very well above the Binman should have dealt with his poo better. The officers should have managed the disciplinary better so that it did not end up on the national news and the taxpayer did not end up paying compensation.

Allan Whitehead says...
2:16pm Fri 15 Mar 13

sarah and her chickens wrote:
Ah you misunderstand me.
The council waited until the gazette had gone to print before releasing that a financial settlement had been released.
As Casmal says very well above the Binman should have dealt with his poo better. The officers should have managed the disciplinary better so that it did not end up on the national news and the taxpayer did not end up paying compensation.
Sorry,
I should have read it more carefully.

pjohn says...
3:01pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Sarah and everyone else, please note:
It is alleged the Gazette has been given a statement by the council after the deadline for this week's paper stating that a financial settlement has been made. THIS IS NOT correct.. The Gazette has NOT received a statement from the council saying there has been a financial settlement - either before or after deadline. The only statement we have received from the council says there has been an 'amicable resolution.' Whether that involves financial compensation we do not know. If we find out we will tell you. Please do not force us to close down the comments because we are being misquoted.
Peter John, Editor

sarah and her chickens says...
3:25pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Gazette editor .
Sorry in no way did i mean to imply you had received any statement from the council. But a financial settlement was made.

Omicron says...
3:29pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Now that this saga is hopefully coming to an end can anyone offer any sensible suggestions how this could have been prevented and what can be done to prevent it happening again.
A binman starts work at 7.00am and generally finishes around 3 or 4.00pm.
All that time they are out on the road. When the situation arises just what are they supposed to do when they need to go to the toilet? Many public toilets have, over the years, been closed by local councils.
What this man did, or rather where he did it, is in many people's eyes inexcusable but in some ways understandable.
So, what is the solution? Let's hear from all those who are critical of his actions just what they would do.
Instead of being highly critical how about being constructive and coming up with ideas on how and where binmen can relieve themselves when out on their rounds. Put yourselves in their shoes, think about it.

lucy41 says...
3:40pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Well said!!!! I think they should have porter loo like campers have in truck!!! I feel deeply sadden that this has come to all this.... I really feel it needs to stop what is done is done!!! Let this chap move forward and learn from it!!! It's people who think they know it all and are so perfect really are not!!! Make a positive out of a negative!!!!

Allan Whitehead says...
3:57pm Fri 15 Mar 13

lucy41 wrote:
Well said!!!! I think they should have porter loo like campers have in truck!!! I feel deeply sadden that this has come to all this.... I really feel it needs to stop what is done is done!!! Let this chap move forward and learn from it!!! It's people who think they know it all and are so perfect really are not!!! Make a positive out of a negative!!!!
Lucy 41 While “Omicron” as stated a very viable comment about what has happened.
I would like to correct you on your statement I would not normally do this however, you did criticise another contributor to these columns in relation to Binmen and “Gunmen”.
Therefore, unless you mean that there should be a person employed along with these outdoor operators to carry a toilet. It is a Portaloo not a Porter Loo.

lucy41 says...
4:02pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Allan Whitehead wrote:
lucy41 wrote:
Well said!!!! I think they should have porter loo like campers have in truck!!! I feel deeply sadden that this has come to all this.... I really feel it needs to stop what is done is done!!! Let this chap move forward and learn from it!!! It's people who think they know it all and are so perfect really are not!!! Make a positive out of a negative!!!!
Lucy 41 While “Omicron” as stated a very viable comment about what has happened.
I would like to correct you on your statement I would not normally do this however, you did criticise another contributor to these columns in relation to Binmen and “Gunmen”.
Therefore, unless you mean that there should be a person employed along with these outdoor operators to carry a toilet. It is a Portaloo not a Porter Loo.
Fair comment but that is no way as bad as incorrectly putting gunman people immediately look at that and question, than question my spelling error regarding a toilet!! But thank you

Casmal says...
4:15pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Omicron wrote:
Now that this saga is hopefully coming to an end can anyone offer any sensible suggestions how this could have been prevented and what can be done to prevent it happening again.
A binman starts work at 7.00am and generally finishes around 3 or 4.00pm.
All that time they are out on the road. When the situation arises just what are they supposed to do when they need to go to the toilet? Many public toilets have, over the years, been closed by local councils.
What this man did, or rather where he did it, is in many people's eyes inexcusable but in some ways understandable.
So, what is the solution? Let's hear from all those who are critical of his actions just what they would do.
Instead of being highly critical how about being constructive and coming up with ideas on how and where binmen can relieve themselves when out on their rounds. Put yourselves in their shoes, think about it.
Excuse me, in what way could it possibly be understandable. I, like all people I would imagine, have had some kind of urgency problem at some time in their lives. There is no way that I, or the vast majority of people would think of going in someone's drive.

And if you had read my blog carefully, you would have seen that I did, in fact, express sympathy for anyone one in this situation. I have worked in situations which pose the same predicament, so I know the problem first hand.

You would also have seen that it wasn't just the fact that he did it, but he had the means of clearing it up, but just didn't bother.

And finally, you would have seen that I did, in fact, include constructive suggestion: first he could have gone in a black sack, and deposited the whole thing in the back of his lorry; second he could have scooped it up with the equipment they have on the lorries and thrown it in the back of the lorry.

And finally, why have we not encountered this type of complaint before? Could it just be that the vast majority of refuse workers, (who do an excellent job in all weathers; the type of job that few of us would choose to do, and are only too grateful to them for), are thoughtful and considerate have managed to find a much more socially acceptable solution to the problem. If they can do it, so can he.

pinkfluff says...
1:47pm Sat 16 Mar 13

lucy41 wrote:
Allan Whitehead wrote:
lucy41 wrote:
Well said!!!! I think they should have porter loo like campers have in truck!!! I feel deeply sadden that this has come to all this.... I really feel it needs to stop what is done is done!!! Let this chap move forward and learn from it!!! It's people who think they know it all and are so perfect really are not!!! Make a positive out of a negative!!!!
Lucy 41 While “Omicron” as stated a very viable comment about what has happened.
I would like to correct you on your statement I would not normally do this however, you did criticise another contributor to these columns in relation to Binmen and “Gunmen”.
Therefore, unless you mean that there should be a person employed along with these outdoor operators to carry a toilet. It is a Portaloo not a Porter Loo.
Fair comment but that is no way as bad as incorrectly putting gunman people immediately look at that and question, than question my spelling error regarding a toilet!! But thank you
I think it was a grammatical error not spelling error lol (joke). I think Allan was being humorous, I thought it was funny anyway.

This story is boring me senseless but what I can't seem to shake off is why that drive? Is there some bad feeling between the home owner and the refuse collector disposer officer thingymabob? After urinating twice then doing a big poo I just can't help but wonder.

scolesy says...
11:13pm Mon 18 Mar 13

Bing bong,Bing bong,,,,,Really sorry can Use your Toilet??? I will leave the window open after,,,thank you,,,,,,

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