Worcestershire County Council workers can light up in shelters for the time being

Council won’t ban staff from smoking

Smoking has been banned in NHS hospital grounds

Councillor Marcus Hart, the council's cabinet member for health and wellbeing.

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WORCESTERSHIRE County Council won’t be following the example of their hospital colleagues in banning smoking among staff – for now.

Worcestershire Acute Hospitals’ NHS Trust last week announced a blanket ban on its staff, contractors and volunteers lighting up in the grounds of its three county hospitals.

From 2015, patients and visitors will also be prevented from lighting up on site.

But despite a plea from Councillor Andy Roberts, chairman of the county council’s health overview and scrutiny committee, the council says staff at County Hall can continue to use its smoking shelters for the time being.

“I welcome the news that Worcestershire Acute Hospitals’ NHS Trust aims to be smoke-free by 2015 and Coun Roberts raises a very pertinent point,” said Coun Marcus Hart, the county council’s cabinet member for health and wellbeing.

“In my role as cabinet member and as chair of the Worcestershire Tobacco Control Alliance, I am very supportive of any measures that help reduce smoking and which make it no longer the norm.

“The smoking ban in public places in England and Scotland drew attention to the health burden of passive smoking and this has been an important part of improving the health of the UK population.

“Staff at County Hall are currently able to use smoking shelters if they wish and at this time this remains in place. I have raised the issue before and will continue to do it again to see what more the county council can do on its own premises.”

Coun Roberts said it would make sense for the county council to follow suit.

“We – the county council – are now responsible for public health,” he said.

“Now that the hospital has taken this initiative I think the county council should look at itself.”

The NHS Trust said its plan will support its “prevention message” to patients, as they will now be treated by staff not smelling of smoke.

The trust’s decision came at the same time as the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) urg-ed the NHS to ban smoking on all hospital grounds across the country.

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11:14am Tue 3 Dec 13

Jared1981 says...

If they want to ban smoking outside, they have to give a clear, valid reason for it. If it's for health/pollution issues, then they also need to ban the buses that drive around the hospital because of the noxious pollution they constantly kick out (which far outweighs cigarette smoke....
If they want to ban smoking outside, they have to give a clear, valid reason for it. If it's for health/pollution issues, then they also need to ban the buses that drive around the hospital because of the noxious pollution they constantly kick out (which far outweighs cigarette smoke.... Jared1981
  • Score: 17

11:15am Tue 3 Dec 13

green49 says...

I am no smoker but i do hope common sense prevails as the staff at WCC have been dictated to enough.
I am no smoker but i do hope common sense prevails as the staff at WCC have been dictated to enough. green49
  • Score: 15

11:21am Tue 3 Dec 13

Gerry Taggart says...

As well as allowing people to smoke on the property, the Council is actually assisting this unhealthy habit by maintaining special smoking pavilions. Public funds are being spent and public health is being worsened.

As they're meant to be encouraging health, WCC should show leadership: not offer wishy-washy half promises like Mr Hart did when he said he'd "see what more the county council can do on its own premises". What is there to see? It must be as obvious as it was at the Hospital.
As well as allowing people to smoke on the property, the Council is actually assisting this unhealthy habit by maintaining special smoking pavilions. Public funds are being spent and public health is being worsened. As they're meant to be encouraging health, WCC should show leadership: not offer wishy-washy half promises like Mr Hart did when he said he'd "see what more the county council can do on its own premises". What is there to see? It must be as obvious as it was at the Hospital. Gerry Taggart
  • Score: -8

11:47am Tue 3 Dec 13

skychip says...

I suppose if employees are not allowed to smoke in the shelters they will just go over to the edge of the woods and smoke the same as the Sixth Formers do from the nearby College.
I suppose if employees are not allowed to smoke in the shelters they will just go over to the edge of the woods and smoke the same as the Sixth Formers do from the nearby College. skychip
  • Score: 9

1:48pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Moltaire says...

This is another example of the council failing to clean up its own act and set an example for leading a healthier life. However, if smoking is still to be permitted, can we expect those staff that smoke to have their salaries docked or for them to ensure they work their full allocated hours? I've been to County Hall many times for meetings and it is quite surprising how many staff there smoke when it's not their break.
This is another example of the council failing to clean up its own act and set an example for leading a healthier life. However, if smoking is still to be permitted, can we expect those staff that smoke to have their salaries docked or for them to ensure they work their full allocated hours? I've been to County Hall many times for meetings and it is quite surprising how many staff there smoke when it's not their break. Moltaire
  • Score: -8

1:54pm Tue 3 Dec 13

harleyrider1777 says...

This pretty well destroys the Myth of second hand smoke:

http://vitals.nbcnew
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Lungs from pack-a-day smokers safe for transplant, study finds.

By JoNel Aleccia, Staff Writer, NBC News.

Using lung transplants from heavy smokers may sound like a cruel joke, but a new study finds that organs taken from people who puffed a pack a day for more than 20 years are likely safe.

What’s more, the analysis of lung transplant data from the U.S. between 2005 and 2011 confirms what transplant experts say they already know: For some patients on a crowded organ waiting list, lungs from smokers are better than none.

“I think people are grateful just to have a shot at getting lungs,” said Dr. Sharven Taghavi, a cardiovascular surgical resident at Temple University Hospital in Philadelphia, who led the new study...............
............

Ive done the math here and this is how it works out with second ahnd smoke and people inhaling it!

The 16 cities study conducted by the U.S. DEPT OF ENERGY and later by Oakridge National laboratories discovered:

Cigarette smoke, bartenders annual exposure to smoke rises, at most, to the equivalent of 6 cigarettes/year.

146,000 CIGARETTES SMOKED IN 20 YEARS AT 1 PACK A DAY.

A bartender would have to work in second hand smoke for 2433 years to get an equivalent dose.

Then the average non-smoker in a ventilated restaurant for an hour would have to go back and forth each day for 119,000 years to get an equivalent 20 years of smoking a pack a day! Pretty well impossible ehh!
This pretty well destroys the Myth of second hand smoke: http://vitals.nbcnew s.com/_news/2013/01/ 28/16741714-lungs-fr om-pack-a-day-smoker s-safe-for-transplan t-study-finds?lite Lungs from pack-a-day smokers safe for transplant, study finds. By JoNel Aleccia, Staff Writer, NBC News. Using lung transplants from heavy smokers may sound like a cruel joke, but a new study finds that organs taken from people who puffed a pack a day for more than 20 years are likely safe. What’s more, the analysis of lung transplant data from the U.S. between 2005 and 2011 confirms what transplant experts say they already know: For some patients on a crowded organ waiting list, lungs from smokers are better than none. “I think people are grateful just to have a shot at getting lungs,” said Dr. Sharven Taghavi, a cardiovascular surgical resident at Temple University Hospital in Philadelphia, who led the new study............... ............ Ive done the math here and this is how it works out with second ahnd smoke and people inhaling it! The 16 cities study conducted by the U.S. DEPT OF ENERGY and later by Oakridge National laboratories discovered: Cigarette smoke, bartenders annual exposure to smoke rises, at most, to the equivalent of 6 cigarettes/year. 146,000 CIGARETTES SMOKED IN 20 YEARS AT 1 PACK A DAY. A bartender would have to work in second hand smoke for 2433 years to get an equivalent dose. Then the average non-smoker in a ventilated restaurant for an hour would have to go back and forth each day for 119,000 years to get an equivalent 20 years of smoking a pack a day! Pretty well impossible ehh! harleyrider1777
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Tue 3 Dec 13

harleyrider1777 says...

Not 1 Death or Sickness Etiologically Assigned to Tobacco. All the diseases attributed to smoking are also present in non smokers. It means, in other words, that they are multifactorial, that is, the result of the interaction of tens, hundreds, sometimes thousands of factors, either known or suspected contributors - of which smoking can be one.
Not 1 Death or Sickness Etiologically Assigned to Tobacco. All the diseases attributed to smoking are also present in non smokers. It means, in other words, that they are multifactorial, that is, the result of the interaction of tens, hundreds, sometimes thousands of factors, either known or suspected contributors - of which smoking can be one. harleyrider1777
  • Score: -1

5:35pm Tue 3 Dec 13

stour67 says...

Then the hospitals should stop treating and allowing drunks on site till they sober up, it's about time more was done against drinking instead of going after the smokers, when was the last time you heard a member of the public or a hospital staff member getting assaulted because they look at a smoker funny.
Then the hospitals should stop treating and allowing drunks on site till they sober up, it's about time more was done against drinking instead of going after the smokers, when was the last time you heard a member of the public or a hospital staff member getting assaulted because they look at a smoker funny. stour67
  • Score: 7

1:54am Wed 4 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

Me thinks Harleyrider1777 must be a smoker. And smokers will go to any lengths to try to say that not only does smoking KIll the SMOKER but it seriously affects others by secondary smoke. And I would guesse that the research quoted from America has a sponsership connection with the tobacco industry. Just like the support from Monsanto and the like for acceptance of GM (Frankenstine) foods. Which isn't aimed at feeding the world but at controlling the Worlds Food.
One thing that harleyrider1777 and other smokers cannot deny is that when they have had a FAG they smell like an old Ashtray.
And why are smokers allowed several FAG breaks while the non smoking members of staff carry on working?.
Me thinks Harleyrider1777 must be a smoker. And smokers will go to any lengths to try to say that not only does smoking KIll the SMOKER but it seriously affects others by secondary smoke. And I would guesse that the research quoted from America has a sponsership connection with the tobacco industry. Just like the support from Monsanto and the like for acceptance of GM (Frankenstine) foods. Which isn't aimed at feeding the world but at controlling the Worlds Food. One thing that harleyrider1777 and other smokers cannot deny is that when they have had a FAG they smell like an old Ashtray. And why are smokers allowed several FAG breaks while the non smoking members of staff carry on working?. Jabbadad
  • Score: -1

1:57am Wed 4 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

Yep sorry got that wrong should say, that smokers will go to any lengths to say smoking does NOT KILL
Yep sorry got that wrong should say, that smokers will go to any lengths to say smoking does NOT KILL Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

9:41am Wed 4 Dec 13

Lord Newbold says...

I have been a smoker, and I consider myself one of the worst complainers about smoking than anyone.
Yes, ban smoking. However, it is easy for people like me who have smoked in the past. To come out and say “Ban Smoking here there and everywhere” However, unless those who make the rules about banning smoking are prepared to go all the way. Then it is just a notice on the notice board, or a sign on the wall.
How wonderful it sounds to say our policy is “NO SMOKING”. We all accept that is bad for your health.

Smoking was banned in my local hospitals several years ago within the buildings and grounds. Recently, I visited a friend in hospital and while I was walking through the grounds visitors was having their final drag before entering the hospital. On reaching the entrance I was amazed to find visitors and patients outside the building smoking as if there was no tomorrow. With the scarcity of beds and finance, those who abuse the “NO Smoking Policy” should be sent home. That is what would teach people who visit hospitals or places where a no smoking policy is in place to
Obey the rules fully.
I have been a smoker, and I consider myself one of the worst complainers about smoking than anyone. Yes, ban smoking. However, it is easy for people like me who have smoked in the past. To come out and say “Ban Smoking here there and everywhere” However, unless those who make the rules about banning smoking are prepared to go all the way. Then it is just a notice on the notice board, or a sign on the wall. How wonderful it sounds to say our policy is “NO SMOKING”. We all accept that is bad for your health. Smoking was banned in my local hospitals several years ago within the buildings and grounds. Recently, I visited a friend in hospital and while I was walking through the grounds visitors was having their final drag before entering the hospital. On reaching the entrance I was amazed to find visitors and patients outside the building smoking as if there was no tomorrow. With the scarcity of beds and finance, those who abuse the “NO Smoking Policy” should be sent home. That is what would teach people who visit hospitals or places where a no smoking policy is in place to Obey the rules fully. Lord Newbold
  • Score: 1
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