Comments (9)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

10:14pm Thu 5 Dec 13

kidderlord says...

I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.
I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet. kidderlord
  • Score: 0

10:50pm Thu 5 Dec 13

CJH says...

kidderlord wrote:
I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.
Was there really any need for this comment. He never denied his involvement in these groups, it has not been covered up or ignored, and he served (more than) his time in prison for it. South Africa may still have apartheid if it wasn't for him. Comparing him to the IRA? How inappropriate. History will sort out the whys and wherefores, and now is not the time. Don't let's turn a man's death into a debate on his character for goodness sake.
[quote][p][bold]kidderlord[/bold] wrote: I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.[/p][/quote]Was there really any need for this comment. He never denied his involvement in these groups, it has not been covered up or ignored, and he served (more than) his time in prison for it. South Africa may still have apartheid if it wasn't for him. Comparing him to the IRA? How inappropriate. History will sort out the whys and wherefores, and now is not the time. Don't let's turn a man's death into a debate on his character for goodness sake. CJH
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Ted Elgar says...

@kidderlord was probably one of the losers wearing "hang Nelson Mandela" t shirts in the 80s.

Anyone having more than the most rudimentary understanding of history knows that the ANC started out as a peaceful protest movement, but took up arms against the (white-supremacist) National Party goverment due to their extreme brutalitiy.

Anyone caring to understand the apartheid-era policies of divide and rule, summary exectution and torture (physical and mental) will know that if there was ever a regime that needed their infrastructure blowing up, it was that one.
@kidderlord was probably one of the losers wearing "hang Nelson Mandela" t shirts in the 80s. Anyone having more than the most rudimentary understanding of history knows that the ANC started out as a peaceful protest movement, but took up arms against the (white-supremacist) National Party goverment due to their extreme brutalitiy. Anyone caring to understand the apartheid-era policies of divide and rule, summary exectution and torture (physical and mental) will know that if there was ever a regime that needed their infrastructure blowing up, it was that one. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Fri 6 Dec 13

RichHadley says...

And for the record Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for sabotage, which he admitted, and conspiracy to overthrow the government through guerilla war, which he denied.

During the early 1960s, the ANC was, after much soul searching, driven in desperation to a militant campaign, mainly of sabotage, but was never a terrorist organisation. In contrast the apartheid government was an avowedly racist, white supremacist, and brutally totalitarian regime which committed massacres, torture and extra-judicial summary execution of its opponents.

Saying the ANC - and Mandela - were terrorists is like saying the French Resistance attacking the Nazis were terrorists.

Beyond the callous voices of the far-right who have never accepted the defeat of apartheid, Mandela will be remembered as a man of peace, conciliation and forgiveness, one of the greatest figures of the 20th century.
And for the record Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for sabotage, which he admitted, and conspiracy to overthrow the government through guerilla war, which he denied. During the early 1960s, the ANC was, after much soul searching, driven in desperation to a militant campaign, mainly of sabotage, but was never a terrorist organisation. In contrast the apartheid government was an avowedly racist, white supremacist, and brutally totalitarian regime which committed massacres, torture and extra-judicial summary execution of its opponents. Saying the ANC - and Mandela - were terrorists is like saying the French Resistance attacking the Nazis were terrorists. Beyond the callous voices of the far-right who have never accepted the defeat of apartheid, Mandela will be remembered as a man of peace, conciliation and forgiveness, one of the greatest figures of the 20th century. RichHadley
  • Score: 0

5:52pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Geoffery1966 says...

kidderlord wrote:
I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.
Well said ! One wonders if the IRA terrorists will be celebrated like this one ?
[quote][p][bold]kidderlord[/bold] wrote: I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.[/p][/quote]Well said ! One wonders if the IRA terrorists will be celebrated like this one ? Geoffery1966
  • Score: 0

6:31pm Fri 6 Dec 13

CJH says...

Geoffery1966 wrote:
kidderlord wrote:
I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.
Well said ! One wonders if the IRA terrorists will be celebrated like this one ?
You complete and utter moron. And I make absolutely no apology for that statement. You've seen a bandwagon in kidderlords' comment and you've jumped straight on it without one single logical or decent thought in your head.
[quote][p][bold]Geoffery1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kidderlord[/bold] wrote: I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.[/p][/quote]Well said ! One wonders if the IRA terrorists will be celebrated like this one ?[/p][/quote]You complete and utter moron. And I make absolutely no apology for that statement. You've seen a bandwagon in kidderlords' comment and you've jumped straight on it without one single logical or decent thought in your head. CJH
  • Score: 0

8:36pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Keith B says...

Actually I'm pretty reasonable and pretty liberal - but it has to be said that the ANC were very similar to the IRA in opposing an oppressive regime who had invaded their Country and taken control of it - much as the English had done to the Irish, as the UN has done to the Afghans.

To English eyes the republicans were terrorists, to Boer eyes, the ANC were that too, and many look at the Taliban in the same light. It's only history that turns a terrorist into a freedom fighter, and as the winner normally writes history, of course the eventual winners of the fight against apartheid in South Africa (which included the enlightened western world) will write the history regarding Mandela.

But to the people he was trying to overthrow, he must have seemed to be the devil incarnate.

Thinking about the way we felt about IRA murderers of the 1970's and 80's, should those responsible have got life imprisonment - maybe serving 25-27 years. We are still looking for those responsible for the Birmingham bombings - so if caught what sort of sentence would we think reasonable - maybe a Mandela equaling 27 years would be appropriate!
Actually I'm pretty reasonable and pretty liberal - but it has to be said that the ANC were very similar to the IRA in opposing an oppressive regime who had invaded their Country and taken control of it - much as the English had done to the Irish, as the UN has done to the Afghans. To English eyes the republicans were terrorists, to Boer eyes, the ANC were that too, and many look at the Taliban in the same light. It's only history that turns a terrorist into a freedom fighter, and as the winner normally writes history, of course the eventual winners of the fight against apartheid in South Africa (which included the enlightened western world) will write the history regarding Mandela. But to the people he was trying to overthrow, he must have seemed to be the devil incarnate. Thinking about the way we felt about IRA murderers of the 1970's and 80's, should those responsible have got life imprisonment - maybe serving 25-27 years. We are still looking for those responsible for the Birmingham bombings - so if caught what sort of sentence would we think reasonable - maybe a Mandela equaling 27 years would be appropriate! Keith B
  • Score: 0

11:10pm Fri 6 Dec 13

everything just shit says...

CJH wrote:
kidderlord wrote:
I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.
Was there really any need for this comment. He never denied his involvement in these groups, it has not been covered up or ignored, and he served (more than) his time in prison for it. South Africa may still have apartheid if it wasn't for him. Comparing him to the IRA? How inappropriate. History will sort out the whys and wherefores, and now is not the time. Don't let's turn a man's death into a debate on his character for goodness sake.
IDIOT 1
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kidderlord[/bold] wrote: I hope the obituaries will look at the mans WHOLE life including when he was a militant leader before being imprisoned, leader of a murderous and violent faction, a little like the IRA before the Belfast Peace agreement. Yes he was a great man post imprisonment, but lets not brush it ALL under the carpet.[/p][/quote]Was there really any need for this comment. He never denied his involvement in these groups, it has not been covered up or ignored, and he served (more than) his time in prison for it. South Africa may still have apartheid if it wasn't for him. Comparing him to the IRA? How inappropriate. History will sort out the whys and wherefores, and now is not the time. Don't let's turn a man's death into a debate on his character for goodness sake.[/p][/quote]IDIOT 1 everything just shit
  • Score: 0

11:26pm Fri 6 Dec 13

everything just shit says...

What is the matter with this world ?
Nelson Mandela, leader of the ANC was nothing more than a terrorist, killing both black and white people in pursuance of his cause.
Does any one remember images of the rubber necklace ? A favourite assassination method beloved of his wife.
This man was on the U.S and U.K most wanted list until 2008.
27 years in jail, he wouldn't have made it this far if it wasn't for the intervention of Margret Thatcher (on of her very few mistakes) preventing his execution on terrorist charges.
Do not make assumptions about his man until you have read and understood all about him. GRANN
What is the matter with this world ? Nelson Mandela, leader of the ANC was nothing more than a terrorist, killing both black and white people in pursuance of his cause. Does any one remember images of the rubber necklace ? A favourite assassination method beloved of his wife. This man was on the U.S and U.K most wanted list until 2008. 27 years in jail, he wouldn't have made it this far if it wasn't for the intervention of Margret Thatcher (on of her very few mistakes) preventing his execution on terrorist charges. Do not make assumptions about his man until you have read and understood all about him. GRANN everything just shit
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree