Doctor claims lap-dancing club will have devastating consequences

Evesham Journal: Petition mounted to stop sex club licence Petition mounted to stop sex club licence

A PETITION against a lap dancing club in Worcester has been set up by a psychotherapist who has seen first-hand the “devastating” impact he says the trade can have on vulnerable young women.

The e-petition against the Black Cherry gentleman’s club, in Lowesmoor, has been started by Dr David Mair who lives around the corner from the venue which will feature naked and topless women.

Dr Mair believes the club at the former DNA nightclub, which is expected to open in the new year, will lower the tone of the area and create no go areas for women.

But licensee Ash Patel says the club will not be seedy or sleazy and, if anything, the extra security will make Lowesmoor safer.

He has succeeded in getting the DNA premises licence transferred to him after he withdrew the original plan to open a club at the former Images and Funk nightclub in the Butts.

The petition to Worcester-shire Regulatory Services, launched on Thursday, has so far been signed by more than 25 people.

It reads: “I am very unhappy about the decision to allow a lap dancing club to open in Lowesmoor.

“This is a mixed area, with a church, charity offices and student accommodation wi-thin yards of the premises.

“It is inappropriate and insensitive to allow a sex club to open so close to residential properties and I request that you withdraw the licence for this lap dancing club in the city centre.”

The 53-year-old said: “I have worked (as a psychotherapist) with people who have been involved in lap dancing when they were students and it has devastating consequences on them down the line.

“They suffer very low self-esteem and can be prone to eating issues and self-harm.

“They enter a place where their self-worth seems to depend on what men think of them as objects rather than as women. There is a very dark side to all of this.

“It is not the light-hearted, fun night out for the lads they want to present it as. I’m not anti-sex but I am against the objectification of women.”

Dr Mair has won the backing of an organisation called Object, which challenges ‘sex object culture’.

He believes the club is not suited to the location ‘virtually opposite a church’ (Worcester Elim Pentecostal Church) and near the entrance to St Martin’s Quarter, an area used by children walking to school.

But Mr Patel said the club would be discreet with no salacious advertising outside the venue to avoid creating offence.

“This is not a "sex club" which is something you might expect to find in Hamburg or Amsterdam, this a club licensed to play music and sell alcohol where there will be entertainment available in the form of dancing, all of which are strictly regulated,” he said.

“To suggest that the very presence of the club is a threat to local women or could cause endangerment to children is sensationalism to support the petition.”

Nuisance would be prevented by installing acoustically secure doors and he says there will be no exploitation of women.

The petition is at change-.org/en-GB/petitions/worc-ester-regulatory-services-withdraw-license-for-lap-dancing-club-in-city-centre-?share_id=NwEhijbola&-utm_campaign=mail-to_link-&utm_medium.

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12:33pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Dagnasty says...

What about the children? Will somebody please think about the children.
What about the children? Will somebody please think about the children. Dagnasty

12:34pm Tue 17 Dec 13

DanMacc says...

Uh!! Just when I think I can finally see some decent tang in Worcester and this guy comes along with his "over 25" (!!!!!!!!!!) signatures trying to ruin everything.
Uh!! Just when I think I can finally see some decent tang in Worcester and this guy comes along with his "over 25" (!!!!!!!!!!) signatures trying to ruin everything. DanMacc

12:43pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Old Scrumpy says...

Ah, the Not-In-My-Back-Yarde
rs have arrived as expected. How will a late night club affect the church and charity offices? Students will be broad-minded enough to just accept it (and walk on by as they won't be able to afford entry). It'll have closed well before the time school kids pass by. It'll be discreet and soundproofed. Looks like Ash Patel 's biz plan ticks all the boxes. I prefer Back Cherry to Sour Grapes any day!!
Ah, the Not-In-My-Back-Yarde rs have arrived as expected. How will a late night club affect the church and charity offices? Students will be broad-minded enough to just accept it (and walk on by as they won't be able to afford entry). It'll have closed well before the time school kids pass by. It'll be discreet and soundproofed. Looks like Ash Patel 's biz plan ticks all the boxes. I prefer Back Cherry to Sour Grapes any day!! Old Scrumpy

12:44pm Tue 17 Dec 13

sitting on the fence gives you piles says...

Dagnasty wrote:
What about the children? Will somebody please think about the children.
I don't think they will allow children into the club!
[quote][p][bold]Dagnasty[/bold] wrote: What about the children? Will somebody please think about the children.[/p][/quote]I don't think they will allow children into the club! sitting on the fence gives you piles

12:54pm Tue 17 Dec 13

ushmush83 says...

Who's up for an anti-petition petition?
Who's up for an anti-petition petition? ushmush83

1:22pm Tue 17 Dec 13

disgusted with local F.A says...

For Crying out load can everybody stop moaning about this club,at the end of the day people who want to go to it then let them be,somebody has decided to try and make a living and everybody has to try and put the guy down,dont give me the rubbish about school children passing the venue because children shouldn't be out at that time of night,another question to these so called concerned people WHAT WOULD CHILDREN BE DOING OUT AT THAT TIME OF NIGHT.And if they are out will they be waiting for their parents to come out of there.when is this country going to worry about real issues instead of a lady in her knickers
For Crying out load can everybody stop moaning about this club,at the end of the day people who want to go to it then let them be,somebody has decided to try and make a living and everybody has to try and put the guy down,dont give me the rubbish about school children passing the venue because children shouldn't be out at that time of night,another question to these so called concerned people WHAT WOULD CHILDREN BE DOING OUT AT THAT TIME OF NIGHT.And if they are out will they be waiting for their parents to come out of there.when is this country going to worry about real issues instead of a lady in her knickers disgusted with local F.A

1:26pm Tue 17 Dec 13

saucerer says...

Here we go again. Every time someone wants to open a legitimate, licensed entertainment venue in Worcester, whether it be a lap-dancing club, pub, nightclub or something else, there are a minority of people who feel it is inappropriate but think their views should take precedent and overrule the views and judgement of what most people want. Because this lap-dancing club may not be in accordance with their morales and opinions, everyone else should play ball and suffer. Worcester is full of these type of people.

This club will be licensed and enclosed and it's up to individuals whether they want to pay a visit, not someone else's. And on the off chance society may be corrupted and vulnerable people targeted, should everyone have to pay the price and not enjoy themselves or make their own judgement call? Worcester is becoming a place full of prudes.
Here we go again. Every time someone wants to open a legitimate, licensed entertainment venue in Worcester, whether it be a lap-dancing club, pub, nightclub or something else, there are a minority of people who feel it is inappropriate but think their views should take precedent and overrule the views and judgement of what most people want. Because this lap-dancing club may not be in accordance with their morales and opinions, everyone else should play ball and suffer. Worcester is full of these type of people. This club will be licensed and enclosed and it's up to individuals whether they want to pay a visit, not someone else's. And on the off chance society may be corrupted and vulnerable people targeted, should everyone have to pay the price and not enjoy themselves or make their own judgement call? Worcester is becoming a place full of prudes. saucerer

1:27pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Alexandra17 says...

"Dr." Mair, a self appointed guardian of the morals of the population of Worcester, or serial objector?
Mr. Mair is firstly not a medical Doctor, but holder of a qualification from the Manitoia Institute, which is housed in a three bed semi in Ealing Common in London... Earlier this year he initially objected to a new hostel development near Lowesmoor for Homeless people as it overlooked his house, using terms such as Vagrant and Street Dwellers, he is very much in the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) catagory. All his petition is doing is to further publicise this quite legally licensed business.
He refers to the nearby. Church, this is currently up for sale as a commercial building and in any case the opening hours of the club would hardly coincide with those of the Church.
I have worked as a Dancer in other similar establishments and contrary to his claims I can assure readers that there is no exploitation of women in the industry nowadays, many girls have successfully put them selves through University by working part time as dancers, if anything it is an empowering experience for a woman.
As for lowering the tone of the area or endangering women and children, I think this is just sensationalism to promot his cause and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this will be the case. The club would have opend far more discreetly with out the publicity that this has promoted.
I'd love to meet this Pychotherapist and speak to him as a woman, a former Lapdancer ( and a graduate of the London School of Economics) to enlighten him, I know of no women who have self harmed or had eating disorders due to working in these venues and I'm sure I've met hundreds more dancers than he has.
Good luck to Mr Patel and his new venture.
"Dr." Mair, a self appointed guardian of the morals of the population of Worcester, or serial objector? Mr. Mair is firstly not a medical Doctor, but holder of a qualification from the Manitoia Institute, which is housed in a three bed semi in Ealing Common in London... Earlier this year he initially objected to a new hostel development near Lowesmoor for Homeless people as it overlooked his house, using terms such as Vagrant and Street Dwellers, he is very much in the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) catagory. All his petition is doing is to further publicise this quite legally licensed business. He refers to the nearby. Church, this is currently up for sale as a commercial building and in any case the opening hours of the club would hardly coincide with those of the Church. I have worked as a Dancer in other similar establishments and contrary to his claims I can assure readers that there is no exploitation of women in the industry nowadays, many girls have successfully put them selves through University by working part time as dancers, if anything it is an empowering experience for a woman. As for lowering the tone of the area or endangering women and children, I think this is just sensationalism to promot his cause and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this will be the case. The club would have opend far more discreetly with out the publicity that this has promoted. I'd love to meet this Pychotherapist and speak to him as a woman, a former Lapdancer ( and a graduate of the London School of Economics) to enlighten him, I know of no women who have self harmed or had eating disorders due to working in these venues and I'm sure I've met hundreds more dancers than he has. Good luck to Mr Patel and his new venture. Alexandra17

1:31pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Alexandra17 says...

I have just looked at his petition online, it has been signed by his friends as far afield as London, Nottingham, Wolverhampton, Solihull and Stourbridge to pad it out...the views of signatories so far away from the venue itself can hardly be taken seriously.
I have just looked at his petition online, it has been signed by his friends as far afield as London, Nottingham, Wolverhampton, Solihull and Stourbridge to pad it out...the views of signatories so far away from the venue itself can hardly be taken seriously. Alexandra17

1:50pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

I really think that some folk need to get a life! What on earth is wrong with a dancing club? Most cities have at least one, with no detrimental effect on anyone or anything whatsoever. If you don't want to go in, just walk on by - just as you would any other pub, club or establishment that you don't want to go in to!
I really think that some folk need to get a life! What on earth is wrong with a dancing club? Most cities have at least one, with no detrimental effect on anyone or anything whatsoever. If you don't want to go in, just walk on by - just as you would any other pub, club or establishment that you don't want to go in to! Arthur Blenkinsop

1:57pm Tue 17 Dec 13

MJI says...

So he isn't a Dr then?
.
Sounds like a serial complainer.
.
Should we fill up his survey with invented Martians and the like?
So he isn't a Dr then? . Sounds like a serial complainer. . Should we fill up his survey with invented Martians and the like? MJI

2:01pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Redhillman says...

So, how do we go about starting a petition objecting to Mr Mair from dictating what people should/shouldn't be doing and interfering with their decision making processes and lives? And perhaps we can start another one objecting to Mr Mair being a resident of Worcester.
So, how do we go about starting a petition objecting to Mr Mair from dictating what people should/shouldn't be doing and interfering with their decision making processes and lives? And perhaps we can start another one objecting to Mr Mair being a resident of Worcester. Redhillman

2:01pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Old Scrumpy says...

...""the “devastating” impact he says the trade can have on vulnerable young women"" ... went to Legs Eleven in Birmingham many years back and the dancers were indeed devastated with all the high currency notes tucked in to their G-strings. It wasn't them who were being exploited! Good fun :)
...""the “devastating” impact he says the trade can have on vulnerable young women"" ... went to Legs Eleven in Birmingham many years back and the dancers were indeed devastated with all the high currency notes tucked in to their G-strings. It wasn't them who were being exploited! Good fun :) Old Scrumpy

2:27pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Blackcherry Manager says...

It's very gratifying to see the supportive comments from the vast majority of Worcester News readers on here.
We are not going into business to outrage public decency and subjugate the morals of the youths of the City, but to start a perfectly legal, licensed business that I trust will be enjoyed by far more people in town than there are objectors...but I thank the objectors for all the publicity they have generated :-)
I very much hope that all of you who have voiced your support on this forum will come and introduce yourselves and let me buy you a drink when our doors are open.and you and you alone, not those who have never even been inside such a club, can make an intelligent informed opinion of how the club is run, how the staff are treated and how discreet we will be as to the licensed entertainment inside.
By meeting and to talking as well as being entertained by our staff you will see that they will all be happy and here of there own will and not in the least exploited as is claimed they will be.
Petitions like this are just a storm in a D cup...
It's very gratifying to see the supportive comments from the vast majority of Worcester News readers on here. We are not going into business to outrage public decency and subjugate the morals of the youths of the City, but to start a perfectly legal, licensed business that I trust will be enjoyed by far more people in town than there are objectors...but I thank the objectors for all the publicity they have generated :-) I very much hope that all of you who have voiced your support on this forum will come and introduce yourselves and let me buy you a drink when our doors are open.and you and you alone, not those who have never even been inside such a club, can make an intelligent informed opinion of how the club is run, how the staff are treated and how discreet we will be as to the licensed entertainment inside. By meeting and to talking as well as being entertained by our staff you will see that they will all be happy and here of there own will and not in the least exploited as is claimed they will be. Petitions like this are just a storm in a D cup... Blackcherry Manager

2:46pm Tue 17 Dec 13

DanMacc says...

Blackcherry Manager wrote:
It's very gratifying to see the supportive comments from the vast majority of Worcester News readers on here.
We are not going into business to outrage public decency and subjugate the morals of the youths of the City, but to start a perfectly legal, licensed business that I trust will be enjoyed by far more people in town than there are objectors...but I thank the objectors for all the publicity they have generated :-)
I very much hope that all of you who have voiced your support on this forum will come and introduce yourselves and let me buy you a drink when our doors are open.and you and you alone, not those who have never even been inside such a club, can make an intelligent informed opinion of how the club is run, how the staff are treated and how discreet we will be as to the licensed entertainment inside.
By meeting and to talking as well as being entertained by our staff you will see that they will all be happy and here of there own will and not in the least exploited as is claimed they will be.
Petitions like this are just a storm in a D cup...
I think its thong that people judge before they experience for themselves.

If this petition gathers any steam then please, keep us abreast of the situation so we can counter it any way we can.
[quote][p][bold]Blackcherry Manager[/bold] wrote: It's very gratifying to see the supportive comments from the vast majority of Worcester News readers on here. We are not going into business to outrage public decency and subjugate the morals of the youths of the City, but to start a perfectly legal, licensed business that I trust will be enjoyed by far more people in town than there are objectors...but I thank the objectors for all the publicity they have generated :-) I very much hope that all of you who have voiced your support on this forum will come and introduce yourselves and let me buy you a drink when our doors are open.and you and you alone, not those who have never even been inside such a club, can make an intelligent informed opinion of how the club is run, how the staff are treated and how discreet we will be as to the licensed entertainment inside. By meeting and to talking as well as being entertained by our staff you will see that they will all be happy and here of there own will and not in the least exploited as is claimed they will be. Petitions like this are just a storm in a D cup...[/p][/quote]I think its thong that people judge before they experience for themselves. If this petition gathers any steam then please, keep us abreast of the situation so we can counter it any way we can. DanMacc

2:54pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Blackcherry Manager says...

Dan Macc.....I only want one comedian in this club so you're banned!
Thanks for your support....
Dan Macc.....I only want one comedian in this club so you're banned! Thanks for your support.... Blackcherry Manager

3:07pm Tue 17 Dec 13

PrivateSi says...

Go away you bunch of old prudes, said the bunch of old perves... If the women are consenting and paid and adult, it's fairly discreet (OK, opposite a gay bar) as it's not the main part of town. Fits in well with all the foreign shops and Charity Brick-A-Brack! ... Personally I thought Images was a fine spot for a Men's Club, out of the way, round the corner from Tramps... LOL @ Worcester Prudes...

The Police won't tolerate Prostitutes on the streets of Lowesmoore, don't worry...
Go away you bunch of old prudes, said the bunch of old perves... If the women are consenting and paid and adult, it's fairly discreet (OK, opposite a gay bar) as it's not the main part of town. Fits in well with all the foreign shops and Charity Brick-A-Brack! ... Personally I thought Images was a fine spot for a Men's Club, out of the way, round the corner from Tramps... LOL @ Worcester Prudes... The Police won't tolerate Prostitutes on the streets of Lowesmoore, don't worry... PrivateSi

3:13pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Secret agent 46 says...

Wind ya neck in Mair... As with every gentleman a club u won't see anything from the outside. And you say it will lower the tone if the area. Have u been down there during the day wen English people are made to feel unwelcome by all the eastern euoropian people.. Or the night time wen every1 that is banned from town frequents ... U r just a massive donk
Wind ya neck in Mair... As with every gentleman a club u won't see anything from the outside. And you say it will lower the tone if the area. Have u been down there during the day wen English people are made to feel unwelcome by all the eastern euoropian people.. Or the night time wen every1 that is banned from town frequents ... U r just a massive donk Secret agent 46

5:02pm Tue 17 Dec 13

grubberlog says...

Dagnasty wrote:
What about the children? Will somebody please think about the children.
Children? No, they won't be able to go to the lap dancing club. for a start they probably couldnt afford 75 quid for a bottle of champagne!!
[quote][p][bold]Dagnasty[/bold] wrote: What about the children? Will somebody please think about the children.[/p][/quote]Children? No, they won't be able to go to the lap dancing club. for a start they probably couldnt afford 75 quid for a bottle of champagne!! grubberlog

5:20pm Tue 17 Dec 13

grubberlog says...

Alexandra17 wrote:
"Dr." Mair, a self appointed guardian of the morals of the population of Worcester, or serial objector?
Mr. Mair is firstly not a medical Doctor, but holder of a qualification from the Manitoia Institute, which is housed in a three bed semi in Ealing Common in London... Earlier this year he initially objected to a new hostel development near Lowesmoor for Homeless people as it overlooked his house, using terms such as Vagrant and Street Dwellers, he is very much in the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) catagory. All his petition is doing is to further publicise this quite legally licensed business.
He refers to the nearby. Church, this is currently up for sale as a commercial building and in any case the opening hours of the club would hardly coincide with those of the Church.
I have worked as a Dancer in other similar establishments and contrary to his claims I can assure readers that there is no exploitation of women in the industry nowadays, many girls have successfully put them selves through University by working part time as dancers, if anything it is an empowering experience for a woman.
As for lowering the tone of the area or endangering women and children, I think this is just sensationalism to promot his cause and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this will be the case. The club would have opend far more discreetly with out the publicity that this has promoted.
I'd love to meet this Pychotherapist and speak to him as a woman, a former Lapdancer ( and a graduate of the London School of Economics) to enlighten him, I know of no women who have self harmed or had eating disorders due to working in these venues and I'm sure I've met hundreds more dancers than he has.
Good luck to Mr Patel and his new venture.
Totally agree, I have met many dancers around London, from the rough and ready former Queen Anne, and the Nags Head, to the much more upmarket Sophisticats and Metropolis. I have also been to many clubs in places like Cannes. Many are funding their way through uni, and are pleasant to talk with over a glass or two of champagne. Most of the clientele are businessmen, and women (yes, women frequent lap dancing clubs too) and there is nothing sleazy at all. Just a really pleasurable way to spend a few hours in good company. What does Mr Mair (he's NOT a doctor) know about lap dancing establishments? Nothing! And was he so concerned about the potential opening of the club in The Butts?? apparently not.
[quote][p][bold]Alexandra17[/bold] wrote: "Dr." Mair, a self appointed guardian of the morals of the population of Worcester, or serial objector? Mr. Mair is firstly not a medical Doctor, but holder of a qualification from the Manitoia Institute, which is housed in a three bed semi in Ealing Common in London... Earlier this year he initially objected to a new hostel development near Lowesmoor for Homeless people as it overlooked his house, using terms such as Vagrant and Street Dwellers, he is very much in the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) catagory. All his petition is doing is to further publicise this quite legally licensed business. He refers to the nearby. Church, this is currently up for sale as a commercial building and in any case the opening hours of the club would hardly coincide with those of the Church. I have worked as a Dancer in other similar establishments and contrary to his claims I can assure readers that there is no exploitation of women in the industry nowadays, many girls have successfully put them selves through University by working part time as dancers, if anything it is an empowering experience for a woman. As for lowering the tone of the area or endangering women and children, I think this is just sensationalism to promot his cause and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this will be the case. The club would have opend far more discreetly with out the publicity that this has promoted. I'd love to meet this Pychotherapist and speak to him as a woman, a former Lapdancer ( and a graduate of the London School of Economics) to enlighten him, I know of no women who have self harmed or had eating disorders due to working in these venues and I'm sure I've met hundreds more dancers than he has. Good luck to Mr Patel and his new venture.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, I have met many dancers around London, from the rough and ready former Queen Anne, and the Nags Head, to the much more upmarket Sophisticats and Metropolis. I have also been to many clubs in places like Cannes. Many are funding their way through uni, and are pleasant to talk with over a glass or two of champagne. Most of the clientele are businessmen, and women (yes, women frequent lap dancing clubs too) and there is nothing sleazy at all. Just a really pleasurable way to spend a few hours in good company. What does Mr Mair (he's NOT a doctor) know about lap dancing establishments? Nothing! And was he so concerned about the potential opening of the club in The Butts?? apparently not. grubberlog

8:56pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Blackcherry Manager says...

@grubberlog.....you'
ve been to the Queen Anne too?!!! An excellent post, made with an opinion formed from personal experience not conjecture. Thank you.
@grubberlog.....you' ve been to the Queen Anne too?!!! An excellent post, made with an opinion formed from personal experience not conjecture. Thank you. Blackcherry Manager

9:31pm Tue 17 Dec 13

rod123 says...

How can you possibly lower the tone of Lowesmoor doctor? It's already the pits.
How can you possibly lower the tone of Lowesmoor doctor? It's already the pits. rod123

7:58am Wed 18 Dec 13

Piccolo says...

Not a good idea for Blackcherry manager to run away with the idea that contributors to this blog are representative of the whole community and that his proposals have support from the vast majority. Perhaps some do see Lowesmoor as 'the pits' in some ways but why make it worse? What the area needs is regeneration not degeneration.
Not a good idea for Blackcherry manager to run away with the idea that contributors to this blog are representative of the whole community and that his proposals have support from the vast majority. Perhaps some do see Lowesmoor as 'the pits' in some ways but why make it worse? What the area needs is regeneration not degeneration. Piccolo

8:26am Wed 18 Dec 13

Spetchley Dave says...

A petition at this stage is pointless. The operators of this premises have a licence to sell alcohol from this premises and the "entertainment" to be provided does not require additional permission as the Council did not properly adopt the legisltation controlling sexual entertainment until very recently.

Why doesn't everyone allow Mr Patel the chance to run the business under the watchful eye of police and regulators and then an informed and evidenced decision can be made about whether or not this venture has a negative impact on the area.

Take out the moral arguments, take out the assumptions and baseless scaremongering and look at the facts in six months time.
A petition at this stage is pointless. The operators of this premises have a licence to sell alcohol from this premises and the "entertainment" to be provided does not require additional permission as the Council did not properly adopt the legisltation controlling sexual entertainment until very recently. Why doesn't everyone allow Mr Patel the chance to run the business under the watchful eye of police and regulators and then an informed and evidenced decision can be made about whether or not this venture has a negative impact on the area. Take out the moral arguments, take out the assumptions and baseless scaremongering and look at the facts in six months time. Spetchley Dave

11:48am Wed 18 Dec 13

Blackcherry Manager says...

Piccolo wrote:
Not a good idea for Blackcherry manager to run away with the idea that contributors to this blog are representative of the whole community and that his proposals have support from the vast majority. Perhaps some do see Lowesmoor as 'the pits' in some ways but why make it worse? What the area needs is regeneration not degeneration.
@Piccolo I can assure you that nobody involved in this club is doing as you suggest. I have merely thanked those on this forum who have been supportive of the venture and quite plainly that support has outweighed any negative comments, thus far.
For you to use nouns such as 'Degeneration' in relation to the club shows that you have already made up your mind about it and made a value judgement in a very narrow minded way without waiting to see any effect, good or bad that the club may have on the area once opened. Why on earth do you assume that this venue will make Lowesmoor a worse place?!
My office phone number is in the book and I welcome you or anyone else with similar fears or views to call me in order that we can discuss these matters in an intelligent manner. You are welcome to come and meet me at the premises anytime from today and I can demonstrate the various steps we have taken and the protocols we have in place to prevent any public nuisance or offence.
[quote][p][bold]Piccolo[/bold] wrote: Not a good idea for Blackcherry manager to run away with the idea that contributors to this blog are representative of the whole community and that his proposals have support from the vast majority. Perhaps some do see Lowesmoor as 'the pits' in some ways but why make it worse? What the area needs is regeneration not degeneration.[/p][/quote]@Piccolo I can assure you that nobody involved in this club is doing as you suggest. I have merely thanked those on this forum who have been supportive of the venture and quite plainly that support has outweighed any negative comments, thus far. For you to use nouns such as 'Degeneration' in relation to the club shows that you have already made up your mind about it and made a value judgement in a very narrow minded way without waiting to see any effect, good or bad that the club may have on the area once opened. Why on earth do you assume that this venue will make Lowesmoor a worse place?! My office phone number is in the book and I welcome you or anyone else with similar fears or views to call me in order that we can discuss these matters in an intelligent manner. You are welcome to come and meet me at the premises anytime from today and I can demonstrate the various steps we have taken and the protocols we have in place to prevent any public nuisance or offence. Blackcherry Manager

1:08pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Blackcherry Manager says...

Spetchley Dave wrote:
A petition at this stage is pointless. The operators of this premises have a licence to sell alcohol from this premises and the "entertainment" to be provided does not require additional permission as the Council did not properly adopt the legisltation controlling sexual entertainment until very recently.

Why doesn't everyone allow Mr Patel the chance to run the business under the watchful eye of police and regulators and then an informed and evidenced decision can be made about whether or not this venture has a negative impact on the area.

Take out the moral arguments, take out the assumptions and baseless scaremongering and look at the facts in six months time.
@Spetchley Dave.....
This is the most balanced and intelligent comment yet on here.
I have offered to meet and discuss matters with anyone with concerns. The above post is very succinct and I feel that I can add nothing more to this debate on this thread.
[quote][p][bold]Spetchley Dave[/bold] wrote: A petition at this stage is pointless. The operators of this premises have a licence to sell alcohol from this premises and the "entertainment" to be provided does not require additional permission as the Council did not properly adopt the legisltation controlling sexual entertainment until very recently. Why doesn't everyone allow Mr Patel the chance to run the business under the watchful eye of police and regulators and then an informed and evidenced decision can be made about whether or not this venture has a negative impact on the area. Take out the moral arguments, take out the assumptions and baseless scaremongering and look at the facts in six months time.[/p][/quote]@Spetchley Dave..... This is the most balanced and intelligent comment yet on here. I have offered to meet and discuss matters with anyone with concerns. The above post is very succinct and I feel that I can add nothing more to this debate on this thread. Blackcherry Manager

2:32pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Vox populi says...

Mary Whitehouse is alive and well........in Worcester.
Mary Whitehouse is alive and well........in Worcester. Vox populi

3:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

redtail65 says...

whats he complaining for in sure the girls will need treatment after the stunts they pull on the pole's ,,
whats he complaining for in sure the girls will need treatment after the stunts they pull on the pole's ,, redtail65

5:20pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Alexandra17 says...

Of the ten latest signatories to the petition only five give Worcester addresses, the rest are as far apart as Hereford, Leominster, Gloucester and London!!!

I'm fairly sure the club owner could get many more signatories to a petition in favour....but why should he? He has already been granted and paid for a licence.

David Mair, in his latest post, has already decided what type of woman will be allowed to work in the club, an assumption to say the very least.
Of the ten latest signatories to the petition only five give Worcester addresses, the rest are as far apart as Hereford, Leominster, Gloucester and London!!! I'm fairly sure the club owner could get many more signatories to a petition in favour....but why should he? He has already been granted and paid for a licence. David Mair, in his latest post, has already decided what type of woman will be allowed to work in the club, an assumption to say the very least. Alexandra17

4:11pm Thu 19 Dec 13

MJI says...

Just ignore Mair, just about his only supporter would be the old trout who stopped the previous application.
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BTW no interest in that sort of place, prefer country pubs but I see no reason to complain.
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But I wouldn't mind seeing somewhere like Afterlife from Mass Effect series!
Just ignore Mair, just about his only supporter would be the old trout who stopped the previous application. . BTW no interest in that sort of place, prefer country pubs but I see no reason to complain. . But I wouldn't mind seeing somewhere like Afterlife from Mass Effect series! MJI

8:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

Like all the people I have spoken to I have no objection to this club. I doubt very much I shall be attending, unless someone else foots the bill, but I wish Mr Patel the very best of luck.
Like all the people I have spoken to I have no objection to this club. I doubt very much I shall be attending, unless someone else foots the bill, but I wish Mr Patel the very best of luck. New Kid on the Block

4:51pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Pussyslimeslurper says...

sitting on the fence gives you piles wrote:
Dagnasty wrote:
What about the children? Will somebody please think about the children.
I don't think they will allow children into the club!
I sat on a fence earlier to test this theory, you are right- I now have piles!
[quote][p][bold]sitting on the fence gives you piles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dagnasty[/bold] wrote: What about the children? Will somebody please think about the children.[/p][/quote]I don't think they will allow children into the club![/p][/quote]I sat on a fence earlier to test this theory, you are right- I now have piles! Pussyslimeslurper

7:29pm Sat 21 Dec 13

grubberlog says...

Blackcherry Manager wrote:
@grubberlog.....you'

ve been to the Queen Anne too?!!! An excellent post, made with an opinion formed from personal experience not conjecture. Thank you.
I used to regularly visit the Queen Anne, when I was working down near Vauxhall, a nice way to spend a lunchtime, or we'd take time off on a Friday afternoon and pop in for a couple of beers and some good company. Denise D'Courtenay could be a bit of a dragon, but she knew the business, and the girls enjoyed working there. Such a shame about Denise's death. Well I'll probably be back down at the Nags Head on Monday, I have some business meetings in the City, but it will be a nice relaxing way to end the day, with a Guinness and a chat with Becca and Maria.
[quote][p][bold]Blackcherry Manager[/bold] wrote: @grubberlog.....you' ve been to the Queen Anne too?!!! An excellent post, made with an opinion formed from personal experience not conjecture. Thank you.[/p][/quote]I used to regularly visit the Queen Anne, when I was working down near Vauxhall, a nice way to spend a lunchtime, or we'd take time off on a Friday afternoon and pop in for a couple of beers and some good company. Denise D'Courtenay could be a bit of a dragon, but she knew the business, and the girls enjoyed working there. Such a shame about Denise's death. Well I'll probably be back down at the Nags Head on Monday, I have some business meetings in the City, but it will be a nice relaxing way to end the day, with a Guinness and a chat with Becca and Maria. grubberlog

9:35am Mon 23 Dec 13

Rosemary Thyme says...

For Gods sake David Mair get a life - there are infinitely more things going on in life that are worse and you can see on TV at any given time things that are no more alarming than scantily clad women cavorting, as for the nudity - well I would assume that most of the objectors and NIMBYs (who actually are nowhere near residing in that particular back yard) will be safely tucked up in bed having had their cocoa long before the ladies take to that particular part of the evenings entertainment.

It really does beggar belief what some folk will object to when you only have to turn on the TV and listen to the news - you go for it Ash Patel and every wish of success to you!

As for the doc, I reiterate my opening line - Get a life!
For Gods sake David Mair get a life - there are infinitely more things going on in life that are worse and you can see on TV at any given time things that are no more alarming than scantily clad women cavorting, as for the nudity - well I would assume that most of the objectors and NIMBYs (who actually are nowhere near residing in that particular back yard) will be safely tucked up in bed having had their cocoa long before the ladies take to that particular part of the evenings entertainment. It really does beggar belief what some folk will object to when you only have to turn on the TV and listen to the news - you go for it Ash Patel and every wish of success to you! As for the doc, I reiterate my opening line - Get a life! Rosemary Thyme

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