Approval for two takeaways will take the numbers up to 15

Evesham Journal: St John’s becomes new fast food city St John’s becomes new fast food city

TWO new takeaways are to open in St John’s, Worcester – despite concerns the area is already littered with them.

A new pizza parlour is going to be created inside the old Natwest Bank, while the former W Jeynes & Family shop at 41 St John’s is also being turned into a fast food outlet.

The move will mean the St John’s shopping area has 15 takeaways – 16 per cent of the 90 units available.

Under Worcester City Council’s own planning guidance, the number of food and drink outlets should go no higher than 20 per cent.

During a debate at the planning committee, politicians said they were concerned about the number of fast food shops, a lack of parking and the current congestion.

Councillor Derek Prodger said: “I’m surprised the highways department didn’t look at this – at the junction of Swanpool Walk, Malvern Road and Bransford Road, right by Barclays bank, there is already massive congestion, it’s a disaster zone.

“There’s probably 24 new homes on Swanpool Walk today, they’ve all been built in the last two or three years and the congestion is absolutely horrendous.”

Bob Pender, from Worc-estershire’s highways dep-artment, said two new takeaways would “not justify traffic remodelling” in the area.

“It doesn’t warrant refusal on traffic generation grounds,” he said.

Councillor Paul Denham said: “It’s difficult in somewhere like St John’s to keep a different, viable number of retail units there since Sainsbury’s arrived.

“But I would have thought having more takeaways in this area will make that more difficult, not less.

“There seems to be a lot of them already.”

Some other politicians said they could not realistically refuse the bids if it meant the units would remain empty.

Councillor Andy Roberts said: “There is a parking problem because there’s virtually no on-street spaces.

“But I think if we didn’t have takeaways in these areas, there would be empty shops and nobody wants that.”

The takeaway inside the old W Jeynes & Family shop will employ five people, two part-time, and open 9am-10pm Monday to Saturdays.

It will only apply to the rear of the building, facing Swanpole Walk.

The pizza parlour at number 51 St John’s, the former Natwest bank, will employ six staff, three part-time, and open from 4.30pm-11pm daily.

Neither site will offer parking, but customers can use the Sainsbury’s car park, which is available to the general public for a maximum of two hours.

It was voted through by everyone apart from Coun Prodger.

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7:23pm Sat 21 Dec 13

skychip says...

Worcester will be the food capital of the Midlands before too long with so the various new restaurants due to open. The planners must think there is plenty of people with money to spend eating out in the area. On another note Worcestershire Highways department never seem to think there are traffic problems whatever the situation.
Worcester will be the food capital of the Midlands before too long with so the various new restaurants due to open. The planners must think there is plenty of people with money to spend eating out in the area. On another note Worcestershire Highways department never seem to think there are traffic problems whatever the situation. skychip

8:00pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Pussyslimeslurper says...

And still no decent fried chicken shops like the ones in Birmingham. 2 piece chicken with loads of chips for £2.50 and you get a free can!! Munchies is ok, the rest are awful!
And still no decent fried chicken shops like the ones in Birmingham. 2 piece chicken with loads of chips for £2.50 and you get a free can!! Munchies is ok, the rest are awful! Pussyslimeslurper

8:18pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dukey123 says...

You have shown a photo of the old HSBC bank but you have reported that the Nat West Bank is to be a Pizza Parlour?
What possible excuse could you have for this WN, considering your based only around the corner?
You have shown a photo of the old HSBC bank but you have reported that the Nat West Bank is to be a Pizza Parlour? What possible excuse could you have for this WN, considering your based only around the corner? Dukey123

8:18pm Sat 21 Dec 13

bobnohope says...

No one nights out in St Johns, merely a stop off on the way home from town. No traffic problems cos no one is going to drive for a pizza. Can't see the fuss from councillors, it's either a fast food joint or it will lie empty for years.
No one nights out in St Johns, merely a stop off on the way home from town. No traffic problems cos no one is going to drive for a pizza. Can't see the fuss from councillors, it's either a fast food joint or it will lie empty for years. bobnohope

12:33am Sun 22 Dec 13

Guy66 says...

bobnohope wrote:
No one nights out in St Johns, merely a stop off on the way home from town. No traffic problems cos no one is going to drive for a pizza. Can't see the fuss from councillors, it's either a fast food joint or it will lie empty for years.
Are you trying to say St Johns has no life at all!
[quote][p][bold]bobnohope[/bold] wrote: No one nights out in St Johns, merely a stop off on the way home from town. No traffic problems cos no one is going to drive for a pizza. Can't see the fuss from councillors, it's either a fast food joint or it will lie empty for years.[/p][/quote]Are you trying to say St Johns has no life at all! Guy66

7:47am Sun 22 Dec 13

bobnohope says...

not much to be fair Guy66. The paths are narrow and you don't see many pedestrians packing the streets do you. When the traffic lights turn red it's only a handful at most crossing the road, hardly a stampede! There,s a bit of congestion on Sainsburys car park at certain times and outside the Bull Ring chippy and the co op, but that's as busy as it gets unless I,ve missed something?
not much to be fair Guy66. The paths are narrow and you don't see many pedestrians packing the streets do you. When the traffic lights turn red it's only a handful at most crossing the road, hardly a stampede! There,s a bit of congestion on Sainsburys car park at certain times and outside the Bull Ring chippy and the co op, but that's as busy as it gets unless I,ve missed something? bobnohope

9:12am Sun 22 Dec 13

brooksider says...

Derek Prodger moaning about congestion?
Derek the Patron Saint of Bus Lanes helped create enough himself.
Derek Prodger moaning about congestion? Derek the Patron Saint of Bus Lanes helped create enough himself. brooksider

10:34am Sun 22 Dec 13

liloliluk says...

Dukey123 wrote:
You have shown a photo of the old HSBC bank but you have reported that the Nat West Bank is to be a Pizza Parlour?
What possible excuse could you have for this WN, considering your based only around the corner?
And isn't there a charity shop in the old Nat West building? Do they know that they're going to be turfed out?
[quote][p][bold]Dukey123[/bold] wrote: You have shown a photo of the old HSBC bank but you have reported that the Nat West Bank is to be a Pizza Parlour? What possible excuse could you have for this WN, considering your based only around the corner?[/p][/quote]And isn't there a charity shop in the old Nat West building? Do they know that they're going to be turfed out? liloliluk

2:16pm Sun 22 Dec 13

yamoto says...

There was a time in worcester, where trying to get a take-away license was a nightmare, unless you were well in with the planners, all seems to of changed.
There was a time in worcester, where trying to get a take-away license was a nightmare, unless you were well in with the planners, all seems to of changed. yamoto

2:55pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

I recall when the Site now Sansbury came up for re-developement and there were other contenders than Sainsbury, however worcester City Council was then New Labour led and Lord Sainsbury happened to be a huge donator to New Labour, are you getting the picture. Well Tesco wanted to take the food store out of St Johns, definately a NO BRAINER, but Sainsbury resisted the comments to build the super store with a frontage to St Johns as did Leos (CO-OP) which kept it in touch with the St Johns trading. But NO our Planners allowed them to build Sainsbur away froman important road through St Johns creating a situation where the people are encouraged away from St Johns itself.
So again we have what stupid or politically controlled Councillors carry our without consultation to the public but in this case pehaps pleasing Lord Sainsbury.
I recall when the Site now Sansbury came up for re-developement and there were other contenders than Sainsbury, however worcester City Council was then New Labour led and Lord Sainsbury happened to be a huge donator to New Labour, are you getting the picture. Well Tesco wanted to take the food store out of St Johns, definately a NO BRAINER, but Sainsbury resisted the comments to build the super store with a frontage to St Johns as did Leos (CO-OP) which kept it in touch with the St Johns trading. But NO our Planners allowed them to build Sainsbur away froman important road through St Johns creating a situation where the people are encouraged away from St Johns itself. So again we have what stupid or politically controlled Councillors carry our without consultation to the public but in this case pehaps pleasing Lord Sainsbury. Jabbadad

3:38pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Karl Hunderson says...

Jabbadad wrote:
I recall when the Site now Sansbury came up for re-developement and there were other contenders than Sainsbury, however worcester City Council was then New Labour led and Lord Sainsbury happened to be a huge donator to New Labour, are you getting the picture. Well Tesco wanted to take the food store out of St Johns, definately a NO BRAINER, but Sainsbury resisted the comments to build the super store with a frontage to St Johns as did Leos (CO-OP) which kept it in touch with the St Johns trading. But NO our Planners allowed them to build Sainsbur away froman important road through St Johns creating a situation where the people are encouraged away from St Johns itself.
So again we have what stupid or politically controlled Councillors carry our without consultation to the public but in this case pehaps pleasing Lord Sainsbury.
No I don't get the picture. Up until May this year Worcester City Council had been Tory led since 2000. The deal to build Sainsburys was signed by the Tory council in 2007 (see link to WN article below). Would you like to withdraw your insinuations?
http://www.worcester
news.co.uk/news/1828
393.Contract_signed_
in_supermarket_deal/
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I recall when the Site now Sansbury came up for re-developement and there were other contenders than Sainsbury, however worcester City Council was then New Labour led and Lord Sainsbury happened to be a huge donator to New Labour, are you getting the picture. Well Tesco wanted to take the food store out of St Johns, definately a NO BRAINER, but Sainsbury resisted the comments to build the super store with a frontage to St Johns as did Leos (CO-OP) which kept it in touch with the St Johns trading. But NO our Planners allowed them to build Sainsbur away froman important road through St Johns creating a situation where the people are encouraged away from St Johns itself. So again we have what stupid or politically controlled Councillors carry our without consultation to the public but in this case pehaps pleasing Lord Sainsbury.[/p][/quote]No I don't get the picture. Up until May this year Worcester City Council had been Tory led since 2000. The deal to build Sainsburys was signed by the Tory council in 2007 (see link to WN article below). Would you like to withdraw your insinuations? http://www.worcester news.co.uk/news/1828 393.Contract_signed_ in_supermarket_deal/ Karl Hunderson

5:00pm Sun 22 Dec 13

3sharps says...

liloliluk wrote:
Dukey123 wrote:
You have shown a photo of the old HSBC bank but you have reported that the Nat West Bank is to be a Pizza Parlour?
What possible excuse could you have for this WN, considering your based only around the corner?
And isn't there a charity shop in the old Nat West building? Do they know that they're going to be turfed out?
The Age Concern charity shop you refer to is next door to the old Natwest, not inside it.
The old Natwest bank is currently owned by Nurul Haque, the owner of Pasha and Anaz, former Councillor and JP. you may have read about him last week...
[quote][p][bold]liloliluk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dukey123[/bold] wrote: You have shown a photo of the old HSBC bank but you have reported that the Nat West Bank is to be a Pizza Parlour? What possible excuse could you have for this WN, considering your based only around the corner?[/p][/quote]And isn't there a charity shop in the old Nat West building? Do they know that they're going to be turfed out?[/p][/quote]The Age Concern charity shop you refer to is next door to the old Natwest, not inside it. The old Natwest bank is currently owned by Nurul Haque, the owner of Pasha and Anaz, former Councillor and JP. you may have read about him last week... 3sharps

7:56pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

I am not at all surprised by your reactions, but I think you might find that negoiations over the site were going on long before 2000 and are you denying that Lord Sainsbury was a big Donor to New Labour?
I am not at all surprised by your reactions, but I think you might find that negoiations over the site were going on long before 2000 and are you denying that Lord Sainsbury was a big Donor to New Labour? Jabbadad

8:07pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Karl Hunderson says...

Jabbadad wrote:
I am not at all surprised by your reactions, but I think you might find that negoiations over the site were going on long before 2000 and are you denying that Lord Sainsbury was a big Donor to New Labour?
Yes but after 2000, as you said, there were other contenders. Labour had nothing to do with the final decision or any decisions over the previous seven years. It's a well know fact that Lord Sainsbury was a Labour party donor, I'm not denying that. You, however have insinuated that this fact somehow had a bearing on a decision you claim to have been made by a Labour council when in fact it was made by a Tory council. You appear to be confused over the issue.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I am not at all surprised by your reactions, but I think you might find that negoiations over the site were going on long before 2000 and are you denying that Lord Sainsbury was a big Donor to New Labour?[/p][/quote]Yes but after 2000, as you said, there were other contenders. Labour had nothing to do with the final decision or any decisions over the previous seven years. It's a well know fact that Lord Sainsbury was a Labour party donor, I'm not denying that. You, however have insinuated that this fact somehow had a bearing on a decision you claim to have been made by a Labour council when in fact it was made by a Tory council. You appear to be confused over the issue. Karl Hunderson

9:29pm Sun 22 Dec 13

liloliluk says...

3sharps wrote:
liloliluk wrote:
Dukey123 wrote:
You have shown a photo of the old HSBC bank but you have reported that the Nat West Bank is to be a Pizza Parlour?
What possible excuse could you have for this WN, considering your based only around the corner?
And isn't there a charity shop in the old Nat West building? Do they know that they're going to be turfed out?
The Age Concern charity shop you refer to is next door to the old Natwest, not inside it.
The old Natwest bank is currently owned by Nurul Haque, the owner of Pasha and Anaz, former Councillor and JP. you may have read about him last week...
Ah yes, you're right, glad to hear they won't be being thrown out after all.
[quote][p][bold]3sharps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liloliluk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dukey123[/bold] wrote: You have shown a photo of the old HSBC bank but you have reported that the Nat West Bank is to be a Pizza Parlour? What possible excuse could you have for this WN, considering your based only around the corner?[/p][/quote]And isn't there a charity shop in the old Nat West building? Do they know that they're going to be turfed out?[/p][/quote]The Age Concern charity shop you refer to is next door to the old Natwest, not inside it. The old Natwest bank is currently owned by Nurul Haque, the owner of Pasha and Anaz, former Councillor and JP. you may have read about him last week...[/p][/quote]Ah yes, you're right, glad to hear they won't be being thrown out after all. liloliluk

7:12am Mon 23 Dec 13

Captain Thrap says...

The University is fuelling this, who else is going to use these establishments sufficiently to sustain their existence other than students, who then puke it up and chuck the wrappers everywhere. Another nail in the coffin of St Johns as a residential suburb, fast becoming a campus
The University is fuelling this, who else is going to use these establishments sufficiently to sustain their existence other than students, who then puke it up and chuck the wrappers everywhere. Another nail in the coffin of St Johns as a residential suburb, fast becoming a campus Captain Thrap

9:29am Mon 23 Dec 13

brooksider says...

Jabbadad wrote:
I recall when the Site now Sansbury came up for re-developement and there were other contenders than Sainsbury, however worcester City Council was then New Labour led and Lord Sainsbury happened to be a huge donator to New Labour, are you getting the picture. Well Tesco wanted to take the food store out of St Johns, definately a NO BRAINER, but Sainsbury resisted the comments to build the super store with a frontage to St Johns as did Leos (CO-OP) which kept it in touch with the St Johns trading. But NO our Planners allowed them to build Sainsbur away froman important road through St Johns creating a situation where the people are encouraged away from St Johns itself.
So again we have what stupid or politically controlled Councillors carry our without consultation to the public but in this case pehaps pleasing Lord Sainsbury.
Do not let the facts get in the way of a good accusation.
Tesco were planning to build on the site of Christopher Whitehead.
This was in 2002/3 and the Tory administration rightly refused it.

Your thinking could lead us to believe this is because Baron Sainsbury is a member and donor of the Conservative Party!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I recall when the Site now Sansbury came up for re-developement and there were other contenders than Sainsbury, however worcester City Council was then New Labour led and Lord Sainsbury happened to be a huge donator to New Labour, are you getting the picture. Well Tesco wanted to take the food store out of St Johns, definately a NO BRAINER, but Sainsbury resisted the comments to build the super store with a frontage to St Johns as did Leos (CO-OP) which kept it in touch with the St Johns trading. But NO our Planners allowed them to build Sainsbur away froman important road through St Johns creating a situation where the people are encouraged away from St Johns itself. So again we have what stupid or politically controlled Councillors carry our without consultation to the public but in this case pehaps pleasing Lord Sainsbury.[/p][/quote]Do not let the facts get in the way of a good accusation. Tesco were planning to build on the site of Christopher Whitehead. This was in 2002/3 and the Tory administration rightly refused it. Your thinking could lead us to believe this is because Baron Sainsbury is a member and donor of the Conservative Party! brooksider

3:20pm Mon 23 Dec 13

mauro balbino says...

Captain Thrap wrote:
The University is fuelling this, who else is going to use these establishments sufficiently to sustain their existence other than students, who then puke it up and chuck the wrappers everywhere. Another nail in the coffin of St Johns as a residential suburb, fast becoming a campus
Absolutely!

I lived in St Johns between Nov03 and Jan13.
I had opportunity, during a relative short spam of time, to notice how much the place is becoming less enjoyable due loss on its quality of life.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Thrap[/bold] wrote: The University is fuelling this, who else is going to use these establishments sufficiently to sustain their existence other than students, who then puke it up and chuck the wrappers everywhere. Another nail in the coffin of St Johns as a residential suburb, fast becoming a campus[/p][/quote]Absolutely! I lived in St Johns between Nov03 and Jan13. I had opportunity, during a relative short spam of time, to notice how much the place is becoming less enjoyable due loss on its quality of life. mauro balbino

5:19pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

I was very involved in the protest about taking the school away from it's present site, and the Tory Administration only refused this idea due to Public Indignation. Since they and the School Headmaster supported the idea of a new school all be it on the edge of the City Limits. And it wasn't just the school site it also included the County Council Builders Yard and other land. And I believe that Tessco actually bought the new site past Dines Green, and may even still own it.
I was very involved in the protest about taking the school away from it's present site, and the Tory Administration only refused this idea due to Public Indignation. Since they and the School Headmaster supported the idea of a new school all be it on the edge of the City Limits. And it wasn't just the school site it also included the County Council Builders Yard and other land. And I believe that Tessco actually bought the new site past Dines Green, and may even still own it. Jabbadad

5:55pm Mon 23 Dec 13

3sharps says...

Jabbadad wrote:
I was very involved in the protest about taking the school away from it's present site, and the Tory Administration only refused this idea due to Public Indignation. Since they and the School Headmaster supported the idea of a new school all be it on the edge of the City Limits. And it wasn't just the school site it also included the County Council Builders Yard and other land. And I believe that Tessco actually bought the new site past Dines Green, and may even still own it.
At that time, Tesco actually obtained a compulsory purchase order on 37-39 St Johns to build a walkway through to the current car park. They still own various bits of land surrounding Sainsburys.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I was very involved in the protest about taking the school away from it's present site, and the Tory Administration only refused this idea due to Public Indignation. Since they and the School Headmaster supported the idea of a new school all be it on the edge of the City Limits. And it wasn't just the school site it also included the County Council Builders Yard and other land. And I believe that Tessco actually bought the new site past Dines Green, and may even still own it.[/p][/quote]At that time, Tesco actually obtained a compulsory purchase order on 37-39 St Johns to build a walkway through to the current car park. They still own various bits of land surrounding Sainsburys. 3sharps

7:37pm Mon 23 Dec 13

lollylouby says...

Went to go into barclays st johns today and was sad to see it was no longer a bank! That ll be a takeway before long too, cant stand having to go into town to use the bank.. Id change to lloyds but whats the betting that will close soon too :(
Went to go into barclays st johns today and was sad to see it was no longer a bank! That ll be a takeway before long too, cant stand having to go into town to use the bank.. Id change to lloyds but whats the betting that will close soon too :( lollylouby

8:21pm Tue 24 Dec 13

mijas4@live.com says...

Captain Thrap wrote:
The University is fuelling this, who else is going to use these establishments sufficiently to sustain their existence other than students, who then puke it up and chuck the wrappers everywhere. Another nail in the coffin of St Johns as a residential suburb, fast becoming a campus
Not sure what rose tinted glasses you have on but most of the People I know in St Johns are fast food junkies. The University is not the problem the problem is more likely:
-Business rates
-Lack of support for local shops
-Lack of imagination of local traders
-Lack of culinary skills of local populous

And it is not a University it is a pumped up high school, which I admit might be part of the problem as it will attract students who are are the lower end of the educational spectrum
[quote][p][bold]Captain Thrap[/bold] wrote: The University is fuelling this, who else is going to use these establishments sufficiently to sustain their existence other than students, who then puke it up and chuck the wrappers everywhere. Another nail in the coffin of St Johns as a residential suburb, fast becoming a campus[/p][/quote]Not sure what rose tinted glasses you have on but most of the People I know in St Johns are fast food junkies. The University is not the problem the problem is more likely: -Business rates -Lack of support for local shops -Lack of imagination of local traders -Lack of culinary skills of local populous And it is not a University it is a pumped up high school, which I admit might be part of the problem as it will attract students who are are the lower end of the educational spectrum mijas4@live.com

5:35pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Wrighty83 says...

mijas4@live.com wrote:
Captain Thrap wrote:
The University is fuelling this, who else is going to use these establishments sufficiently to sustain their existence other than students, who then puke it up and chuck the wrappers everywhere. Another nail in the coffin of St Johns as a residential suburb, fast becoming a campus
Not sure what rose tinted glasses you have on but most of the People I know in St Johns are fast food junkies. The University is not the problem the problem is more likely:
-Business rates
-Lack of support for local shops
-Lack of imagination of local traders
-Lack of culinary skills of local populous

And it is not a University it is a pumped up high school, which I admit might be part of the problem as it will attract students who are are the lower end of the educational spectrum
mijas4@live.com. I can assure you the issue is not with the local residents and there lack of culinary skills. It's the swarms of students the have little or no respect for the area and the people who have lived there for a significant time.
More fast food shops, more rubbish for my parents to clear up.
[quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Thrap[/bold] wrote: The University is fuelling this, who else is going to use these establishments sufficiently to sustain their existence other than students, who then puke it up and chuck the wrappers everywhere. Another nail in the coffin of St Johns as a residential suburb, fast becoming a campus[/p][/quote]Not sure what rose tinted glasses you have on but most of the People I know in St Johns are fast food junkies. The University is not the problem the problem is more likely: -Business rates -Lack of support for local shops -Lack of imagination of local traders -Lack of culinary skills of local populous And it is not a University it is a pumped up high school, which I admit might be part of the problem as it will attract students who are are the lower end of the educational spectrum[/p][/quote]mijas4@live.com. I can assure you the issue is not with the local residents and there lack of culinary skills. It's the swarms of students the have little or no respect for the area and the people who have lived there for a significant time. More fast food shops, more rubbish for my parents to clear up. Wrighty83

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