Exclusive: new shopping centre plan for Worcester

Evesham Journal: A map showing the land in question, off Newtown Road A map showing the land in question, off Newtown Road

PLANS for a new multi-million pound shopping centre in Worcester can today be revealed - creating around 500 new jobs.

Your Worcester News can reveal a major developer wants to build a retail park dubbed a 'mini Cribbs Causeway' on acres of green fields off Newtown Road.

Although the shops are being kept a closely guarded secret, we understand talks are already well advanced with John Lewis about becoming a main focus for it, and that negotiations have included the likes of Next, Marks & Spencer, B&Q, Morrisons and Sainsbury's.

The park is likely to span 500,000 sq ft and come with around 1,100 parking spaces, creating a significant new shopping destination.

Although the retailer says it will not comment on speculation, John Lewis is believed to be interested in opening a 'House' store on the site, which specialises in furnishings for property.

The land in question is known as Worcester Woods, which the city council has wanted to see developed since the 1990s.

The 11 hectares of greenery is owned by Spetchley Estates, and back in 2005 outline planning permission was granted for a business park on the land.

The development never came to fruition but the site is still considered ideal for investment and is in the South Worcestershire Development Plan (SWDP) for some kind of commercial use.

In recent months a new plan has been hatched, led by Land Securities, the country's biggest developer.

The firm has been touting the site to interested retailers and wants to create a shopping centre offering something different to the city centre.

The city council is also believed to be open minded about it, as long as the retail park focuses on items like home furnishings and does not directly compete with the High Street.

The development would not affect Worcester Woods Country Park, a county council-owned countryside centre which sits just behind the site.

At the moment talks are ongoing with the retailers, with Land Securities aiming to get as many as possible to agree to become a part of it in principle, subject to a planning application being submitted and then approved.

But the proposals are considerably well advanced, and the application for the site is expected to include as least 13 different units led by an anchor store in a 90,000 sq ft shop, according to sources close to the project.

A spokesman for Land Securities said: "Land Securities is assessing the viability of creating a retail scheme that would bring investment and jobs to Worcester, compliment the city’s existing retail offer and make Worcester a more attractive regional retail destination."

CITY LEADERS WELCOME PLAN - AS LONG AS HIGH STREET IS SAFE

SHOPS and community leaders have welcomed the retail park plan - saying they would not be against it as long as it does not harm the High Street.

Land Securities' plan is believed to be based around creating a range of shops that will not compete with the city centre.

Worcester MP Robin Walker said: "The jobs would obviously be great and the investment talked about here is another big positive for the city.

"More big names looking to invest in Worcester is always welcome, it's really exciting.

"But it's vital the shops are the right ones, we must protect the city centre and I believe parking charges must come down."

Councillor Adrian Gregson, city council leader, said: "If you look at everything else that's going on in Worcester like Cathedral Plaza, the cultural quarter, a Waitrose, Sherriff Street, the technology park, the level of investment is very positive and we want to see that continue."

Sources say the shopping centre is becoming an 'open secret' among well-known brands, and that there is some concern about the impact on city centre shops.

James Brown, store manager at DW Sports in the High Street, said: "I've worked in Kidderminster and Dudley but Worcester is different, it's got a lot of coffee shops, branded stores, plenty of affluence.

"My worry would be shops leaving to relocate there, as long as that doesn't happen.

"They need to make sure the city centre stays strong and that it doesn't compete.

"Business is good here and I believe that's because of the city centre."

Under planning guidelines, the Government has told councils not to differentiate between office jobs and retail based employment.

But key to any approval would be how it would impact upon the city centre, and what plans are in place to deal with congestion.

All of the retailers understood to be in talks over the site have refused to confirm their interest publicly, although some have gone further than others.

A spokesman for Sainsbury's said: "Worcester is a city we’ve been interested in expanding our presence in for some time.

"We have explored a number of options though have yet to confirm any particular site."

A spokesman for John Lewis said it would not comment on "market speculation".

Land Securities says a timescale for the planning application is dependent upon signing up retailers, and that it could be submitted before the end of the year.

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9:18am Sat 26 Apr 14

Hwicce says...

Don't care about John Lewis but bring on B&Q.

Can we have a Matalan, Go Outdoors, and Wilkinsons as well.
Don't care about John Lewis but bring on B&Q. Can we have a Matalan, Go Outdoors, and Wilkinsons as well. Hwicce
  • Score: 4

9:45am Sat 26 Apr 14

brooksider says...

How about a Morrisons with a petrol station.
How about a Morrisons with a petrol station. brooksider
  • Score: 3

9:48am Sat 26 Apr 14

skychip says...

The units at the Lowesmoor area haven't yet been filled. Wouldn't it be better to sort one thing out before building more.
The units at the Lowesmoor area haven't yet been filled. Wouldn't it be better to sort one thing out before building more. skychip
  • Score: 61

10:04am Sat 26 Apr 14

CJH says...

So a small section of that land couldn't be used for much needed extra hospital parking, but we can have shops built to compete with all the extra empty shops already completed. Is it me? And there will only be 500 jobs if all the units are filled.
So a small section of that land couldn't be used for much needed extra hospital parking, but we can have shops built to compete with all the extra empty shops already completed. Is it me? And there will only be 500 jobs if all the units are filled. CJH
  • Score: 63

10:18am Sat 26 Apr 14

New Kid on the Block says...

CJH wrote:
So a small section of that land couldn't be used for much needed extra hospital parking, but we can have shops built to compete with all the extra empty shops already completed. Is it me? And there will only be 500 jobs if all the units are filled.
Quote "The city council is also believed to be open minded about it, as long as the retail park focuses on items like home furnishings and does not directly compete with the High Street. "
It is obvious that the City Council is worried that this development would (or will) affect the High Street. Shop closures in the High Street will result in job losses so this development will not create 500 jobs.
Can't we look after the Town Centre before we build what is in effect an out of town development which planning rules are supposed to be against?
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: So a small section of that land couldn't be used for much needed extra hospital parking, but we can have shops built to compete with all the extra empty shops already completed. Is it me? And there will only be 500 jobs if all the units are filled.[/p][/quote]Quote "The city council is also believed to be open minded about it, as long as the retail park focuses on items like home furnishings and does not directly compete with the High Street. " It is obvious that the City Council is worried that this development would (or will) affect the High Street. Shop closures in the High Street will result in job losses so this development will not create 500 jobs. Can't we look after the Town Centre before we build what is in effect an out of town development which planning rules are supposed to be against? New Kid on the Block
  • Score: 26

10:24am Sat 26 Apr 14

Casmal says...

Well, yes, I'm another person thinking "is it me?". My first thought was how much congestion it will cause on and around the route to the hospital. My second thought is that it will leave no room for the hospital to expand. My third thought was "as long as High Street is safe.". You have to be kidding!! If M&S for example is thinking about going there, it won't want to be in the City Centre as well, will it? The rest of my thoughts are unprintable! The only good thing I guess will be that people will park there for the hospital!!
Well, yes, I'm another person thinking "is it me?". My first thought was how much congestion it will cause on and around the route to the hospital. My second thought is that it will leave no room for the hospital to expand. My third thought was "as long as High Street is safe.". You have to be kidding!! If M&S for example is thinking about going there, it won't want to be in the City Centre as well, will it? The rest of my thoughts are unprintable! The only good thing I guess will be that people will park there for the hospital!! Casmal
  • Score: 40

10:59am Sat 26 Apr 14

Mcdonald45 says...

So what about the retail park going on the opposite field with the plans of having a b&q and costa going in. Also if marks and spencers are going onto the blackpole retail park why do they need another on this new one?
So what about the retail park going on the opposite field with the plans of having a b&q and costa going in. Also if marks and spencers are going onto the blackpole retail park why do they need another on this new one? Mcdonald45
  • Score: 10

11:10am Sat 26 Apr 14

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!
Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops! imustbeoldiwearacap
  • Score: 28

11:18am Sat 26 Apr 14

CJH says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!
"Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!" Well it won't be will it? If no-one is going into town the charity shops will close as well and lose much needed income. I think every new development should include a low (or no) rent unit for charities.
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops![/p][/quote]"Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!" Well it won't be will it? If no-one is going into town the charity shops will close as well and lose much needed income. I think every new development should include a low (or no) rent unit for charities. CJH
  • Score: 8

11:57am Sat 26 Apr 14

Andy_R says...

The map can't be correct, a huge brand new care home has only just been built there.
The map can't be correct, a huge brand new care home has only just been built there. Andy_R
  • Score: 24

12:24pm Sat 26 Apr 14

dulon says...

Is it the fact that we have seen this happen before or are we being cynical ?
The decimation of town centres such as Kidderminster can be blamed on stupid proposals like this .
The council has big issues with traffic and infrastructure and the demise of the town centre for retail activities as it is .
So what does it do for an encore ......?
I suppose we could get rid of county hall and convert that to retail , That would save a few bob!
Is it the fact that we have seen this happen before or are we being cynical ? The decimation of town centres such as Kidderminster can be blamed on stupid proposals like this . The council has big issues with traffic and infrastructure and the demise of the town centre for retail activities as it is . So what does it do for an encore ......? I suppose we could get rid of county hall and convert that to retail , That would save a few bob! dulon
  • Score: 30

12:54pm Sat 26 Apr 14

CJH says...

Andy_R wrote:
The map can't be correct, a huge brand new care home has only just been built there.
Well it was all fields yesterday. Are you thinking of the new cancer centre being built next to the hospital? Or I think there may be a new care home, but on the other side of Newtown Road.
[quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: The map can't be correct, a huge brand new care home has only just been built there.[/p][/quote]Well it was all fields yesterday. Are you thinking of the new cancer centre being built next to the hospital? Or I think there may be a new care home, but on the other side of Newtown Road. CJH
  • Score: -7

2:02pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Andy_R says...

CJH wrote:
Andy_R wrote:
The map can't be correct, a huge brand new care home has only just been built there.
Well it was all fields yesterday. Are you thinking of the new cancer centre being built next to the hospital? Or I think there may be a new care home, but on the other side of Newtown Road.
There's a three storey building there now! Page 7 of this http://planning.worc
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f has a map showing exactly where it is, in the place marked 'site' - which is the same place this story says the shopping centre will be!
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: The map can't be correct, a huge brand new care home has only just been built there.[/p][/quote]Well it was all fields yesterday. Are you thinking of the new cancer centre being built next to the hospital? Or I think there may be a new care home, but on the other side of Newtown Road.[/p][/quote]There's a three storey building there now! Page 7 of this http://planning.worc ester.gov.uk/OcellaW eb/viewDocument?file =dv_pl_files%5CP11Q0 400%2FP11Q0400-DA.pd f has a map showing exactly where it is, in the place marked 'site' - which is the same place this story says the shopping centre will be! Andy_R
  • Score: 15

2:03pm Sat 26 Apr 14

skychip says...

There is a care home on the same side as the hospital.
There is a care home on the same side as the hospital. skychip
  • Score: 11

2:04pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Jay Jenkins says...

The High Street is changing. Succesful town centres now reflect the growing demand for lesiure and food offer. Worcester is still behind the curve especially in restaurants and bars.

What the site should do is appeal to retail spend not the large out-of-town food offers like TGI Fridays which open after the shops close.

Also, Asos earns £600k per employee compared to £200k for a Tesco worker. This difference in productivity and profitability is only going to increase. It either comes here or goes to Cheltenham. Make the High Street the entry level, start up and boutique retail space.

And act now. Don't dither like Worcester always does and miss the boat.
The High Street is changing. Succesful town centres now reflect the growing demand for lesiure and food offer. Worcester is still behind the curve especially in restaurants and bars. What the site should do is appeal to retail spend not the large out-of-town food offers like TGI Fridays which open after the shops close. Also, Asos earns £600k per employee compared to £200k for a Tesco worker. This difference in productivity and profitability is only going to increase. It either comes here or goes to Cheltenham. Make the High Street the entry level, start up and boutique retail space. And act now. Don't dither like Worcester always does and miss the boat. Jay Jenkins
  • Score: -5

2:19pm Sat 26 Apr 14

lesleyborthwick says...

I think Worcester needs this mattalan the range scs ikea Evans B&q dfs wilkinsons morrisons are shops that we all have to leave Worcester City to find surely it's better to have these shops in our city giving us jobs than having to travel to find them and if the council want to look at our town centre shops they want to look at the cost of rents and business tax and parking and bus fares as this is the reason that shops are leaving and we all shop else where
I think Worcester needs this mattalan the range scs ikea Evans B&q dfs wilkinsons morrisons are shops that we all have to leave Worcester City to find surely it's better to have these shops in our city giving us jobs than having to travel to find them and if the council want to look at our town centre shops they want to look at the cost of rents and business tax and parking and bus fares as this is the reason that shops are leaving and we all shop else where lesleyborthwick
  • Score: 5

2:27pm Sat 26 Apr 14

drowningnotwaving says...

more traffic at Whittington island.
How can builders sit on plots of land for years when supermarkets got lambasted for it?

BAN THE WORD 'COULD' IN PLANNING APPLICATIONS (could create 500 jobs etc)
more traffic at Whittington island. How can builders sit on plots of land for years when supermarkets got lambasted for it? BAN THE WORD 'COULD' IN PLANNING APPLICATIONS (could create 500 jobs etc) drowningnotwaving
  • Score: 20

2:35pm Sat 26 Apr 14

b1ackb1rd says...

At least the good folk of Worcester will get to spend time together at Xmas and Bank Holidays ... stuck in the car trying to get out of the car park !

This is a joke, it will kill the High Street which is difficult enough to get to now - if there's somewhere easier to get to and with free parking where do you think people will go??
At least the good folk of Worcester will get to spend time together at Xmas and Bank Holidays ... stuck in the car trying to get out of the car park ! This is a joke, it will kill the High Street which is difficult enough to get to now - if there's somewhere easier to get to and with free parking where do you think people will go?? b1ackb1rd
  • Score: 14

2:38pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Jabbadad says...

Large Towns and even Cities in America some years back now were affected by building of out of town Shopping Malls retail developements, and as day followed night the town centres just died, apart from book shops and coffe shops / diners etc..
Look around the Midlands and where ever there has been an out of town Shopping Precinct the local Town has sufferred.
Look closer to home and with the Blackpole developement, the shops in Ambleside and the shopping parade in Warndon were really affected.

As to the parking at the Hospital, being a PFI hospital the Owners (A Consortium) were only interested in providing the required carparking which was agreed by the then New Labour Councils who kept the numbers low in order to encourage staff, visitors and patients to walk or use public transport, They overlooked that many of those who visit a Hospital are usually too poorly to walk or Cycle.
The consortiums were not interested unless projects can generate more revenue for them. This was their reply to a multi storey carpark idea, and neither the NHS or Councils were interested. So we are where we are.
And perhaps the Town Centres could be more attractive to smaller shop owners if the Rents and Huge Council Tax were to be made more attractive. Surely it's better to have the shops open paying some rents and Tax than being closed giving no returns at all and also making the high streets with empty shops un-inviting to shoppers.
I recently went to Telford and the empty shops even though modern units, there make some parts of the town shabby and unwelcoming.
But then we need those in charge to be PROACTIVE and sadly in this county looking at the current judgements over pumping many more £millions into the Southern Bypass and not addressing the Northern Link by pass, but that's a big call. I could get some solace if that when local politicians (and National ) make a huge blunder spending public money on passing bad planning that they are required to resign. That should whittle the number of Councillors down quite quickly.
Large Towns and even Cities in America some years back now were affected by building of out of town Shopping Malls retail developements, and as day followed night the town centres just died, apart from book shops and coffe shops / diners etc.. Look around the Midlands and where ever there has been an out of town Shopping Precinct the local Town has sufferred. Look closer to home and with the Blackpole developement, the shops in Ambleside and the shopping parade in Warndon were really affected. As to the parking at the Hospital, being a PFI hospital the Owners (A Consortium) were only interested in providing the required carparking which was agreed by the then New Labour Councils who kept the numbers low in order to encourage staff, visitors and patients to walk or use public transport, They overlooked that many of those who visit a Hospital are usually too poorly to walk or Cycle. The consortiums were not interested unless projects can generate more revenue for them. This was their reply to a multi storey carpark idea, and neither the NHS or Councils were interested. So we are where we are. And perhaps the Town Centres could be more attractive to smaller shop owners if the Rents and Huge Council Tax were to be made more attractive. Surely it's better to have the shops open paying some rents and Tax than being closed giving no returns at all and also making the high streets with empty shops un-inviting to shoppers. I recently went to Telford and the empty shops even though modern units, there make some parts of the town shabby and unwelcoming. But then we need those in charge to be PROACTIVE and sadly in this county looking at the current judgements over pumping many more £millions into the Southern Bypass and not addressing the Northern Link by pass, but that's a big call. I could get some solace if that when local politicians (and National ) make a huge blunder spending public money on passing bad planning that they are required to resign. That should whittle the number of Councillors down quite quickly. Jabbadad
  • Score: 11

2:40pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Worcester Girl says...

Bristol has been successful so why can't Worcester? We are lucky to have two train stations and motorway junctions, and both would bring more people into Worcester. I would point out, though, the Shrub Hill redevelopment has been put on the back burner and Foregate St station is still uninviting, and so the Council should perhaps focus on 'the gateway to the city' first? I would be happy to help with some sensible and obvious ideas!
Bristol has been successful so why can't Worcester? We are lucky to have two train stations and motorway junctions, and both would bring more people into Worcester. I would point out, though, the Shrub Hill redevelopment has been put on the back burner and Foregate St station is still uninviting, and so the Council should perhaps focus on 'the gateway to the city' first? I would be happy to help with some sensible and obvious ideas! Worcester Girl
  • Score: 15

3:23pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Mcdonald45 says...

Why is everyone worried about the city centre being empty if this goes ahead?

If you build a new retail park with the shops listed it isn't going to stop people going to the city centre, the marks and Spencer's might just be a clothes outlet so it will not stop people going to the marks and Spencer's in town. What about the card shops in town, people will not stop going to these just becuase there is a new retail park with a morrisons.

And why do people worry about extra traffic, it will only be the same about of cars in Worcester just going to different places, the retail park doesn't suddenly put 300 extra cars in Worcester all at the same time.
Why is everyone worried about the city centre being empty if this goes ahead? If you build a new retail park with the shops listed it isn't going to stop people going to the city centre, the marks and Spencer's might just be a clothes outlet so it will not stop people going to the marks and Spencer's in town. What about the card shops in town, people will not stop going to these just becuase there is a new retail park with a morrisons. And why do people worry about extra traffic, it will only be the same about of cars in Worcester just going to different places, the retail park doesn't suddenly put 300 extra cars in Worcester all at the same time. Mcdonald45
  • Score: -11

3:36pm Sat 26 Apr 14

i-cycle says...

Mcdonald45 wrote:
Why is everyone worried about the city centre being empty if this goes ahead?

If you build a new retail park with the shops listed it isn't going to stop people going to the city centre, the marks and Spencer's might just be a clothes outlet so it will not stop people going to the marks and Spencer's in town. What about the card shops in town, people will not stop going to these just becuase there is a new retail park with a morrisons.

And why do people worry about extra traffic, it will only be the same about of cars in Worcester just going to different places, the retail park doesn't suddenly put 300 extra cars in Worcester all at the same time.
Of course it will generate extra traffic.

If the majority of shops and services are located in the City Centre those who drive there will make one journey.

If more of the shops and services you want are scattered, as they increasingly are, in the City Centre, but also in several out of town retail or trade parks the distance you need to drive can be three, four or more times as great.

Car ownership isn't really the biggest problem. Its car use that causes the congestion.

The other big advantage of concentrating shops and services in the City Centre is that its more viable to provide public transport services and safe cycle and walking routes which also reduce traffic congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Mcdonald45[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone worried about the city centre being empty if this goes ahead? If you build a new retail park with the shops listed it isn't going to stop people going to the city centre, the marks and Spencer's might just be a clothes outlet so it will not stop people going to the marks and Spencer's in town. What about the card shops in town, people will not stop going to these just becuase there is a new retail park with a morrisons. And why do people worry about extra traffic, it will only be the same about of cars in Worcester just going to different places, the retail park doesn't suddenly put 300 extra cars in Worcester all at the same time.[/p][/quote]Of course it will generate extra traffic. If the majority of shops and services are located in the City Centre those who drive there will make one journey. If more of the shops and services you want are scattered, as they increasingly are, in the City Centre, but also in several out of town retail or trade parks the distance you need to drive can be three, four or more times as great. Car ownership isn't really the biggest problem. Its car use that causes the congestion. The other big advantage of concentrating shops and services in the City Centre is that its more viable to provide public transport services and safe cycle and walking routes which also reduce traffic congestion. i-cycle
  • Score: 6

4:01pm Sat 26 Apr 14

RangaLangaDingDong says...

Jay Jenkins wrote:
The High Street is changing. Succesful town centres now reflect the growing demand for lesiure and food offer. Worcester is still behind the curve especially in restaurants and bars.

What the site should do is appeal to retail spend not the large out-of-town food offers like TGI Fridays which open after the shops close.

Also, Asos earns £600k per employee compared to £200k for a Tesco worker. This difference in productivity and profitability is only going to increase. It either comes here or goes to Cheltenham. Make the High Street the entry level, start up and boutique retail space.

And act now. Don't dither like Worcester always does and miss the boat.
Well put.
[quote][p][bold]Jay Jenkins[/bold] wrote: The High Street is changing. Succesful town centres now reflect the growing demand for lesiure and food offer. Worcester is still behind the curve especially in restaurants and bars. What the site should do is appeal to retail spend not the large out-of-town food offers like TGI Fridays which open after the shops close. Also, Asos earns £600k per employee compared to £200k for a Tesco worker. This difference in productivity and profitability is only going to increase. It either comes here or goes to Cheltenham. Make the High Street the entry level, start up and boutique retail space. And act now. Don't dither like Worcester always does and miss the boat.[/p][/quote]Well put. RangaLangaDingDong
  • Score: -2

6:23pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Jabbadad says...

Sorry to say that Macdonald45 seems not to have a grasp on any retail planning. To say that out of town shopping centre won't affect the City Centre is just plain daft. the shopping public are lazy and won't walk (or aren't able to walk if disabled ) if they can park their car closeby to a superstore.

Companies as large as Marks & Spencer just won't move to a site where they are under restrictive selling.
Worcester has a population of around 98,700 as opposed to say Bristol which has a City population of 432,000 and so attracts companies who look for that population, since other than food supermarkets which just must have something that we all need, specialised shops obviously have a much smaller customer base. And dispite what anyone thinks shops cannot survive without customers be they on foot or on the internet..
And although i haven't visited Bristol for some years now, my son who goes quite regularly says it's excellent . Well done Bristol, who obviously don't use our planners.
Unless these idiots can't sort out our road infrastructure which must include a Northern By-pass then the City and a good part of the County will become GRIDLOCKED. I hope that I am still around to remind councillors such as Geraghty and the petition Doctor of the mess they have caused. ,
Sorry to say that Macdonald45 seems not to have a grasp on any retail planning. To say that out of town shopping centre won't affect the City Centre is just plain daft. the shopping public are lazy and won't walk (or aren't able to walk if disabled ) if they can park their car closeby to a superstore. Companies as large as Marks & Spencer just won't move to a site where they are under restrictive selling. Worcester has a population of around 98,700 as opposed to say Bristol which has a City population of 432,000 and so attracts companies who look for that population, since other than food supermarkets which just must have something that we all need, specialised shops obviously have a much smaller customer base. And dispite what anyone thinks shops cannot survive without customers be they on foot or on the internet.. And although i haven't visited Bristol for some years now, my son who goes quite regularly says it's excellent . Well done Bristol, who obviously don't use our planners. Unless these idiots can't sort out our road infrastructure which must include a Northern By-pass then the City and a good part of the County will become GRIDLOCKED. I hope that I am still around to remind councillors such as Geraghty and the petition Doctor of the mess they have caused. , Jabbadad
  • Score: 8

6:31pm Sat 26 Apr 14

voledog says...

City centres are changing and, like it or not, many people prefer the convenience of out of town retail parks to traipsing around the high street and having to carry everything they've bought back to an expensive car park several streets away. Many people from Worcester already head off to retail parks in surround towns and yet still the High Street manages to somehow survive.
In reality we could do with a lot less retail space in the centre of Worcester. We need to have a greater emphasis on offices, higher quality shops, good restaurants and bars if the High Street is to thrive in the long term. Instead of thinking of yet more shops, such as with the proposed Cornmarket scheme, we'd be much better off building as many apartments as we can cram in instead. The more people that actually live in the city centre, the more viable it will be in the long term.
Make the city centre a desination for pleasant living and working, and put the retail sheds out of town where people can easily get to them.
City centres are changing and, like it or not, many people prefer the convenience of out of town retail parks to traipsing around the high street and having to carry everything they've bought back to an expensive car park several streets away. Many people from Worcester already head off to retail parks in surround towns and yet still the High Street manages to somehow survive. In reality we could do with a lot less retail space in the centre of Worcester. We need to have a greater emphasis on offices, higher quality shops, good restaurants and bars if the High Street is to thrive in the long term. Instead of thinking of yet more shops, such as with the proposed Cornmarket scheme, we'd be much better off building as many apartments as we can cram in instead. The more people that actually live in the city centre, the more viable it will be in the long term. Make the city centre a desination for pleasant living and working, and put the retail sheds out of town where people can easily get to them. voledog
  • Score: 8

6:41pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Mcdonald45 says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Sorry to say that Macdonald45 seems not to have a grasp on any retail planning. To say that out of town shopping centre won't affect the City Centre is just plain daft. the shopping public are lazy and won't walk (or aren't able to walk if disabled ) if they can park their car closeby to a superstore.

Companies as large as Marks & Spencer just won't move to a site where they are under restrictive selling.
Worcester has a population of around 98,700 as opposed to say Bristol which has a City population of 432,000 and so attracts companies who look for that population, since other than food supermarkets which just must have something that we all need, specialised shops obviously have a much smaller customer base. And dispite what anyone thinks shops cannot survive without customers be they on foot or on the internet..
And although i haven't visited Bristol for some years now, my son who goes quite regularly says it's excellent . Well done Bristol, who obviously don't use our planners.
Unless these idiots can't sort out our road infrastructure which must include a Northern By-pass then the City and a good part of the County will become GRIDLOCKED. I hope that I am still around to remind councillors such as Geraghty and the petition Doctor of the mess they have caused. ,
So do you think at christmas when the coach trips come to Worcester they will go to our retail parks instead, well no they will not, tourists come to worcester to do shopping in the high street, visit the cathedral and so on, people will still use the city centre.

If say a b&q put a plan in to have a shop in the city centre I'm sure everyone would moan saying no you cannot do that becuase there will be to much traffic.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Sorry to say that Macdonald45 seems not to have a grasp on any retail planning. To say that out of town shopping centre won't affect the City Centre is just plain daft. the shopping public are lazy and won't walk (or aren't able to walk if disabled ) if they can park their car closeby to a superstore. Companies as large as Marks & Spencer just won't move to a site where they are under restrictive selling. Worcester has a population of around 98,700 as opposed to say Bristol which has a City population of 432,000 and so attracts companies who look for that population, since other than food supermarkets which just must have something that we all need, specialised shops obviously have a much smaller customer base. And dispite what anyone thinks shops cannot survive without customers be they on foot or on the internet.. And although i haven't visited Bristol for some years now, my son who goes quite regularly says it's excellent . Well done Bristol, who obviously don't use our planners. Unless these idiots can't sort out our road infrastructure which must include a Northern By-pass then the City and a good part of the County will become GRIDLOCKED. I hope that I am still around to remind councillors such as Geraghty and the petition Doctor of the mess they have caused. ,[/p][/quote]So do you think at christmas when the coach trips come to Worcester they will go to our retail parks instead, well no they will not, tourists come to worcester to do shopping in the high street, visit the cathedral and so on, people will still use the city centre. If say a b&q put a plan in to have a shop in the city centre I'm sure everyone would moan saying no you cannot do that becuase there will be to much traffic. Mcdonald45
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Jay1981 says...

Go for it I say will also stop the lazy dog owners from letting there dogs using those fields as a poo dump. Most pic there dog mess up but not all
Go for it I say will also stop the lazy dog owners from letting there dogs using those fields as a poo dump. Most pic there dog mess up but not all Jay1981
  • Score: -14

8:01pm Sat 26 Apr 14

really.com says...

i'm sick of the same shops being spread across this city, i dont want another sainsburys, m and s or next!!! people want variety, what about wilkinsons, the range, pounsdtretchers, matalan, farm foods even an out of town boots or superdrug. It wont affect the city centre as most people are sick of paying nearly £4 return on the bus or the expense of parking and therefore avoid town and would rather go to malvern or kidderminster.
i'm sick of the same shops being spread across this city, i dont want another sainsburys, m and s or next!!! people want variety, what about wilkinsons, the range, pounsdtretchers, matalan, farm foods even an out of town boots or superdrug. It wont affect the city centre as most people are sick of paying nearly £4 return on the bus or the expense of parking and therefore avoid town and would rather go to malvern or kidderminster. really.com
  • Score: -8

8:14pm Sat 26 Apr 14

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

CJH wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!
"Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!" Well it won't be will it? If no-one is going into town the charity shops will close as well and lose much needed income. I think every new development should include a low (or no) rent unit for charities.
Those who really need charity shops tend to live within walking/public transport distance of the city centre, not out of town retail where you need a car! However in this case, because it will be near the hospital, there will be public transport (of sorts).
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops![/p][/quote]"Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!" Well it won't be will it? If no-one is going into town the charity shops will close as well and lose much needed income. I think every new development should include a low (or no) rent unit for charities.[/p][/quote]Those who really need charity shops tend to live within walking/public transport distance of the city centre, not out of town retail where you need a car! However in this case, because it will be near the hospital, there will be public transport (of sorts). imustbeoldiwearacap
  • Score: -8

9:17pm Sat 26 Apr 14

CJH says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
CJH wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!
"Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!" Well it won't be will it? If no-one is going into town the charity shops will close as well and lose much needed income. I think every new development should include a low (or no) rent unit for charities.
Those who really need charity shops tend to live within walking/public transport distance of the city centre, not out of town retail where you need a car! However in this case, because it will be near the hospital, there will be public transport (of sorts).
That's a bit patronising isn't it? I know plenty of people who go to charity shops, not because they need to but because they want to. You're making a donation and getting something in return. Win-win. The Acorns shop next to Tescos on St Peters seems to get plenty of customers. Many call in before or after going to Tescos. Can't see why it won't work on other retail sites. Just needs a bit of initiative and imagination.
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops![/p][/quote]"Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!" Well it won't be will it? If no-one is going into town the charity shops will close as well and lose much needed income. I think every new development should include a low (or no) rent unit for charities.[/p][/quote]Those who really need charity shops tend to live within walking/public transport distance of the city centre, not out of town retail where you need a car! However in this case, because it will be near the hospital, there will be public transport (of sorts).[/p][/quote]That's a bit patronising isn't it? I know plenty of people who go to charity shops, not because they need to but because they want to. You're making a donation and getting something in return. Win-win. The Acorns shop next to Tescos on St Peters seems to get plenty of customers. Many call in before or after going to Tescos. Can't see why it won't work on other retail sites. Just needs a bit of initiative and imagination. CJH
  • Score: 4

9:34pm Sat 26 Apr 14

drowningnotwaving says...

In the 60's the council raped the city of its old buildings to be modern, in the 80's city walls road and st martins car park created a traffic nightmare. Here we go again
I work in BIrmingham and many there have told me they dont visit Worcester because it's a clone town.
In the 60's the council raped the city of its old buildings to be modern, in the 80's city walls road and st martins car park created a traffic nightmare. Here we go again I work in BIrmingham and many there have told me they dont visit Worcester because it's a clone town. drowningnotwaving
  • Score: 16

9:49pm Sat 26 Apr 14

skychip says...

Think this City has reputation of gridlocked roads
Think this City has reputation of gridlocked roads skychip
  • Score: 17

9:55pm Sat 26 Apr 14

i-cycle says...

skychip wrote:
Think this City has reputation of gridlocked roads
Whatever happens to the southern link, or indeed whether a northern one ever gets built, the expansion and out of town development that is planned will only make congestion worse unless a better integrated multi-modal solution is provided.
[quote][p][bold]skychip[/bold] wrote: Think this City has reputation of gridlocked roads[/p][/quote]Whatever happens to the southern link, or indeed whether a northern one ever gets built, the expansion and out of town development that is planned will only make congestion worse unless a better integrated multi-modal solution is provided. i-cycle
  • Score: 5

10:06pm Sat 26 Apr 14

CJH says...

i-cycle wrote:
skychip wrote:
Think this City has reputation of gridlocked roads
Whatever happens to the southern link, or indeed whether a northern one ever gets built, the expansion and out of town development that is planned will only make congestion worse unless a better integrated multi-modal solution is provided.
It's like trying to decorate a christmas tree with no branches - nowhere to hang your baubles!
[quote][p][bold]i-cycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skychip[/bold] wrote: Think this City has reputation of gridlocked roads[/p][/quote]Whatever happens to the southern link, or indeed whether a northern one ever gets built, the expansion and out of town development that is planned will only make congestion worse unless a better integrated multi-modal solution is provided.[/p][/quote]It's like trying to decorate a christmas tree with no branches - nowhere to hang your baubles! CJH
  • Score: 7

10:19pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Newspaper reader1982 says...

This site in question marked on the map is known locally as Worcester Woods, it's by that country park place and it's definitely owned by Spetchley Estates so they've got that right. What concerns me is what it'll do to the High Street. Surely it HAS to end as up this article implies, ie offer something different, or it can't be allowed to go ahead.
I also agree with Robin Walker, cheaper parking in Worcester is a must
This site in question marked on the map is known locally as Worcester Woods, it's by that country park place and it's definitely owned by Spetchley Estates so they've got that right. What concerns me is what it'll do to the High Street. Surely it HAS to end as up this article implies, ie offer something different, or it can't be allowed to go ahead. I also agree with Robin Walker, cheaper parking in Worcester is a must Newspaper reader1982
  • Score: 6

12:26am Sun 27 Apr 14

Jabbadad says...

But ask Robin why his CONservative council doubled the cost of Park & Ride making people look for cheaper parking ASDA £1 and Free if you shop?
We have to get public transport sorted no matter where the developements are. And to even think that being close to the Hospital their parking could be used is the biggest joke of all. The parking at the Hospital has never been enough for the Hospitals needs.
But ask Robin why his CONservative council doubled the cost of Park & Ride making people look for cheaper parking ASDA £1 and Free if you shop? We have to get public transport sorted no matter where the developements are. And to even think that being close to the Hospital their parking could be used is the biggest joke of all. The parking at the Hospital has never been enough for the Hospitals needs. Jabbadad
  • Score: 3

12:02pm Sun 27 Apr 14

I'm_not_bitter says...

I'm beginning to think we've completeley lost the plot in Worcester.

I can't believe we're talking about bulldozing a Local Nature Reserve and medieval flower meadows to attract more shops because the ones we've got aren't attractive enough.

And the map IS out of date - there is now an 82 bed care home next to the hospital built by Unity Development Consortium. More WN careless journalism.
I'm beginning to think we've completeley lost the plot in Worcester. I can't believe we're talking about bulldozing a Local Nature Reserve and medieval flower meadows to attract more shops because the ones we've got aren't attractive enough. And the map IS out of date - there is now an 82 bed care home next to the hospital built by Unity Development Consortium. More WN careless journalism. I'm_not_bitter
  • Score: 20

12:51pm Sun 27 Apr 14

pinkfluff says...

Oh marvellous....just what this country needs, more shopping zombies!!
Oh marvellous....just what this country needs, more shopping zombies!! pinkfluff
  • Score: 12

1:36pm Sun 27 Apr 14

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

CJH wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
CJH wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!
"Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!" Well it won't be will it? If no-one is going into town the charity shops will close as well and lose much needed income. I think every new development should include a low (or no) rent unit for charities.
Those who really need charity shops tend to live within walking/public transport distance of the city centre, not out of town retail where you need a car! However in this case, because it will be near the hospital, there will be public transport (of sorts).
That's a bit patronising isn't it? I know plenty of people who go to charity shops, not because they need to but because they want to. You're making a donation and getting something in return. Win-win. The Acorns shop next to Tescos on St Peters seems to get plenty of customers. Many call in before or after going to Tescos. Can't see why it won't work on other retail sites. Just needs a bit of initiative and imagination.
I did say "really need" and rather like food banks charity shops are a life-line for those who are in the greatest need. It's not a lifestyle choice for them! So, no, I was not been patronising - being practical!
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops![/p][/quote]"Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!" Well it won't be will it? If no-one is going into town the charity shops will close as well and lose much needed income. I think every new development should include a low (or no) rent unit for charities.[/p][/quote]Those who really need charity shops tend to live within walking/public transport distance of the city centre, not out of town retail where you need a car! However in this case, because it will be near the hospital, there will be public transport (of sorts).[/p][/quote]That's a bit patronising isn't it? I know plenty of people who go to charity shops, not because they need to but because they want to. You're making a donation and getting something in return. Win-win. The Acorns shop next to Tescos on St Peters seems to get plenty of customers. Many call in before or after going to Tescos. Can't see why it won't work on other retail sites. Just needs a bit of initiative and imagination.[/p][/quote]I did say "really need" and rather like food banks charity shops are a life-line for those who are in the greatest need. It's not a lifestyle choice for them! So, no, I was not been patronising - being practical! imustbeoldiwearacap
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Supporting shops x says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!
I am worried Amorè small gift shop in Pump Street, I've only been open for 12mths trying to get a customer base set up I don't get enough throughout the door really,
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops![/p][/quote]I am worried Amorè small gift shop in Pump Street, I've only been open for 12mths trying to get a customer base set up I don't get enough throughout the door really, Supporting shops x
  • Score: 3

3:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Supporting shops x says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops!
I am worried Amorè small gift shop in Pump Street, I've only been open for 12mths trying to get a customer base set up I don't get enough throughout the door really,
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: Yet another out of town retail development that will kill what is left of Worcester City retail! Soon the High Street will be all charity shops![/p][/quote]I am worried Amorè small gift shop in Pump Street, I've only been open for 12mths trying to get a customer base set up I don't get enough throughout the door really, Supporting shops x
  • Score: 2

10:24pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Dirty-Belcher says...

And tell Homebase they are not allowed another store lol. Any more than 3 is pure greedy :-)
And tell Homebase they are not allowed another store lol. Any more than 3 is pure greedy :-) Dirty-Belcher
  • Score: 2

10:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

fedupwithitall says...

Dirty-Belcher wrote:
And tell Homebase they are not allowed another store lol. Any more than 3 is pure greedy :-)
Homebase Bath road is closed. so that makes it 2 not 3
[quote][p][bold]Dirty-Belcher[/bold] wrote: And tell Homebase they are not allowed another store lol. Any more than 3 is pure greedy :-)[/p][/quote]Homebase Bath road is closed. so that makes it 2 not 3 fedupwithitall
  • Score: 1

11:30pm Mon 28 Apr 14

jullay says...

I totally agree with the one person who has mentioned the loss of wild flower meadows, an old and new orchard , a local nature reserve and an area that people are able to enjoy all times of the year. Nunnery Wood is going to be completely enclosed by concrete!! Surely open space and green fields are more important to the health and well-being of the people of Worcester than even more shopping outlets.
I totally agree with the one person who has mentioned the loss of wild flower meadows, an old and new orchard , a local nature reserve and an area that people are able to enjoy all times of the year. Nunnery Wood is going to be completely enclosed by concrete!! Surely open space and green fields are more important to the health and well-being of the people of Worcester than even more shopping outlets. jullay
  • Score: 21

7:56am Tue 29 Apr 14

Dirty-Belcher says...

fedupwithitall wrote:
Dirty-Belcher wrote:
And tell Homebase they are not allowed another store lol. Any more than 3 is pure greedy :-)
Homebase Bath road is closed. so that makes it 2 not 3
Wow. Didnt realise the Bath Road one was closed. I only went there a few weeks ago
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithitall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dirty-Belcher[/bold] wrote: And tell Homebase they are not allowed another store lol. Any more than 3 is pure greedy :-)[/p][/quote]Homebase Bath road is closed. so that makes it 2 not 3[/p][/quote]Wow. Didnt realise the Bath Road one was closed. I only went there a few weeks ago Dirty-Belcher
  • Score: 0

2:49pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Jabbadad says...

Worcester City has been under the monopoly of the Big Stores for some years and while under different Political Councils. To me this shows quite an ignorance of business by our councillors (NO SUPRISE THERE THEN), generally competition between the bigger stores is usually good for the shopper but bad for the small trader, however the smaller trader can compete by giving the service that has long gone from some supermarkets.
Before my first trip to America I thought that to hear an occasional "Have A NIce Day" would be a joke, but no, it was being said everywhere and also seemed to be said with real meaning. In fact it was so nice to think that they really wanted you to visit again.
Although I generally find the Staff in Aldi very helpfull I recall after being served by one young lady I was just about to move away from the Till and heard her say "Thank You Have A Nice Day", I asked her where she came from and she replied America, so she had brought her friendly service with her. Sadly she has moved onto another store or even left, but she made an impression on me.
And the CONservatives claiming to be "the party of small shopkeepers" reminds me how the Tory Captains of Industry exported / relocated our very Factories abroad in the greed of cheap labour while abandoning our workers to the Dole many after 30 and 40 years loyal service and hard work.
And now we have to look at European Supermarkets who are leading the way in both quality and price while our Supermarkets still can't see why, and continue to lose market share.
And isn't it lovely to walk past the numbers of Continental shops springin up in this city, they are clean, inviting and customers are again made welcome.
I feel that the UK supermarkets were so intent on apples, Oranges, Tomato's, all able to pass through a sizing hoop, and straight cucumbers, same size Cauliflowers. they lost the plot.
And market gardeners were told to plough huge quantities of produce back into the ground as they were just too big, or perhaps to keep the prices high.

What a load of sizing rubbish when we were kids we could walk out into our gardens and pick an apple, plum or pear, Gooseberry, blackcurrants etc and even with a bit of mud they tasted better than most things we get today. Our eggs were still warm, our chickens were eaten the same day as killed plucked and dressed, since we had no fridges. Did we live on a Farm?
No, we lived in Social Housing with a long garden.
Worcester City has been under the monopoly of the Big Stores for some years and while under different Political Councils. To me this shows quite an ignorance of business by our councillors (NO SUPRISE THERE THEN), generally competition between the bigger stores is usually good for the shopper but bad for the small trader, however the smaller trader can compete by giving the service that has long gone from some supermarkets. Before my first trip to America I thought that to hear an occasional "Have A NIce Day" would be a joke, but no, it was being said everywhere and also seemed to be said with real meaning. In fact it was so nice to think that they really wanted you to visit again. Although I generally find the Staff in Aldi very helpfull I recall after being served by one young lady I was just about to move away from the Till and heard her say "Thank You Have A Nice Day", I asked her where she came from and she replied America, so she had brought her friendly service with her. Sadly she has moved onto another store or even left, but she made an impression on me. And the CONservatives claiming to be "the party of small shopkeepers" reminds me how the Tory Captains of Industry exported / relocated our very Factories abroad in the greed of cheap labour while abandoning our workers to the Dole many after 30 and 40 years loyal service and hard work. And now we have to look at European Supermarkets who are leading the way in both quality and price while our Supermarkets still can't see why, and continue to lose market share. And isn't it lovely to walk past the numbers of Continental shops springin up in this city, they are clean, inviting and customers are again made welcome. I feel that the UK supermarkets were so intent on apples, Oranges, Tomato's, all able to pass through a sizing hoop, and straight cucumbers, same size Cauliflowers. they lost the plot. And market gardeners were told to plough huge quantities of produce back into the ground as they were just too big, or perhaps to keep the prices high. What a load of sizing rubbish when we were kids we could walk out into our gardens and pick an apple, plum or pear, Gooseberry, blackcurrants etc and even with a bit of mud they tasted better than most things we get today. Our eggs were still warm, our chickens were eaten the same day as killed plucked and dressed, since we had no fridges. Did we live on a Farm? No, we lived in Social Housing with a long garden. Jabbadad
  • Score: -4

5:22pm Tue 29 Apr 14

chrism says...

Mcdonald45 wrote:
Why is everyone worried about the city centre being empty if this goes ahead?

If you build a new retail park with the shops listed it isn't going to stop people going to the city centre, the marks and Spencer's might just be a clothes outlet so it will not stop people going to the marks and Spencer's in town. What about the card shops in town, people will not stop going to these just becuase there is a new retail park with a morrisons.

And why do people worry about extra traffic, it will only be the same about of cars in Worcester just going to different places, the retail park doesn't suddenly put 300 extra cars in Worcester all at the same time.
Even if it didn't generate extra local traffic (which has been covered above), the proximity to the motorway junction and mention of Cribbs suggests the intention will be to attract people from further away. Not only that, but it's generating the traffic on a part of the road network which is already one of the most overloaded parts.

Only an idiot wouldn't realise that such a development will worsen the congestion - so doubtless County Highways won't think it a problem.
[quote][p][bold]Mcdonald45[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone worried about the city centre being empty if this goes ahead? If you build a new retail park with the shops listed it isn't going to stop people going to the city centre, the marks and Spencer's might just be a clothes outlet so it will not stop people going to the marks and Spencer's in town. What about the card shops in town, people will not stop going to these just becuase there is a new retail park with a morrisons. And why do people worry about extra traffic, it will only be the same about of cars in Worcester just going to different places, the retail park doesn't suddenly put 300 extra cars in Worcester all at the same time.[/p][/quote]Even if it didn't generate extra local traffic (which has been covered above), the proximity to the motorway junction and mention of Cribbs suggests the intention will be to attract people from further away. Not only that, but it's generating the traffic on a part of the road network which is already one of the most overloaded parts. Only an idiot wouldn't realise that such a development will worsen the congestion - so doubtless County Highways won't think it a problem. chrism
  • Score: 1

9:33pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Roger5 says...

What a crazy idea. Another developer is proposing to build houses under pylons next to the noisy motorway on Swinesherd Way (recently consulted on by having plans on show one evening in the Swan at Whittington) a site ideal for retail, and others are now proposing to have the noise of deliveries at all hours to a retail park and people in big queues at peak times just where you want access for emergency vehicles by a HOSPITAL! (also next to Swinesherd Way).

Planners need to stop looking at all these schemes in isolation and designate uses for sites as a whole for the area, using SKILL and JUDGEMENT to consider the suitability for the local populace. Now that would be a novelty!
What a crazy idea. Another developer is proposing to build houses under pylons next to the noisy motorway on Swinesherd Way (recently consulted on by having plans on show one evening in the Swan at Whittington) a site ideal for retail, and others are now proposing to have the noise of deliveries at all hours to a retail park and people in big queues at peak times just where you want access for emergency vehicles by a HOSPITAL! (also next to Swinesherd Way). Planners need to stop looking at all these schemes in isolation and designate uses for sites as a whole for the area, using SKILL and JUDGEMENT to consider the suitability for the local populace. Now that would be a novelty! Roger5
  • Score: 7

1:05am Wed 30 Apr 14

Jabbadad says...

Roger5, don't worry about the Pylons, my sister found a legal loophole that allowed her to demand the removal of a very large Electricity Pylon from her back garden which really dominated the house. And ironically she later bought the surplus plot of ground where the pylon then stood and had it moved yet again.
Roger5, don't worry about the Pylons, my sister found a legal loophole that allowed her to demand the removal of a very large Electricity Pylon from her back garden which really dominated the house. And ironically she later bought the surplus plot of ground where the pylon then stood and had it moved yet again. Jabbadad
  • Score: -2

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