It's official - Worcester has third worst rush-hour traffic in the country

Evesham Journal: It's official - Worcester has third worst rush-hour traffic in the country It's official - Worcester has third worst rush-hour traffic in the country

IT’S official – Worcester is the third worst city in the country for rush hour gridlock, according to a damning new report.

Worcester ranks in the top three of the traffic jam league of shame, coming only a slow crawl behind the worst offenders, Canterbury and St Albans.

A new survey, published today, says the rush hour in Worcester adds 8.6 minutes to a normal 30 minute journey.

The rush hour speed in the city is also cripplingly slow at just an average of 12.84mph - the14th slowest in the country - compared to the fastest average of 25.18mph in Newport.

However, Worcester still has a faster average rush- hour speed than neighbouring Hereford (11.49mph).

The busiest day for traffic in Worcester is Thursday according to the survey, conducted by Direct Line Drive Plus, based on 20 million miles worth of data.

The figures will come as no surprise to readers, who voted traffic the number one area of concern in the city, as reported in your Worcester News last June.

Cllr Simon Geraghty, leader of Worcester City Council and deputy leader of Worcestershire County Council, said ongoing improvement work - including the including dualling of the Southern Link Road - is key to resolving Worcester’s traffic problems.

He said: “That will make using that road and the bypass at the edge of Worcester a more attractive option than going through the heart of the city centre.

“They travel through the city centre rather than using the Southern Link Road and conges - tion on that road is pushing more drivers into the city centre.”

Around 30,000 drivers use the link road every day compared to 35,000 who travel over the main bridge in Worcester.

Cllr Geraghty said: “That is why we are having so much focus on improving that link road.”

But he admitted the results of the survey did not surprise him, and said there is “no silver bullet” to address congestion despite improvements that are or have already being made to cycle ways, railway stations and infrastructure including the Diglis Bridge.

Herefordshire and Worcestershire Chambers of Commerce said it would back any action to tackle congestion.

“The Chamber of Commerce is here to support business and a good transport system is crucial to helping business to work,” a spokesman said. “We are fully supportive of any traffic measures which help businesses move efficiently around our cities.”

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9:42am Fri 6 Jun 14

barneyhome says...

Complete the northern link road then.
Complete the northern link road then. barneyhome
  • Score: 34

10:16am Fri 6 Jun 14

3thinker says...

The big new housing developments needed to pay for dualling the southern link may easy congestion along the bypass, but it will also add more cars onto the City's already congested network. All the out of town development by the M5 and on the west of the City will have a similar effect.

When will the penny drop that simply building new roads can't and won't solve the problem.

Its simple Simon.

Congestion is caused by too many cars. The answer is to reduce car use at peak times.

When Labour controlled the City you and the County refused to get involved in working jointly to look at how best to reduce congestion. Now you're back, please can you have a look at a wider range of options rather than simply dualling the southern link and decreasing parking charges (which although 'popular' may actually add to the congestion).
The big new housing developments needed to pay for dualling the southern link may easy congestion along the bypass, but it will also add more cars onto the City's already congested network. All the out of town development by the M5 and on the west of the City will have a similar effect. When will the penny drop that simply building new roads can't and won't solve the problem. Its simple Simon. Congestion is caused by too many cars. The answer is to reduce car use at peak times. When Labour controlled the City you and the County refused to get involved in working jointly to look at how best to reduce congestion. Now you're back, please can you have a look at a wider range of options rather than simply dualling the southern link and decreasing parking charges (which although 'popular' may actually add to the congestion). 3thinker
  • Score: -9

10:18am Fri 6 Jun 14

Keith B says...

Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes.

However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's

Maybe it's all my fault!!!!

NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.
Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes. However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's Maybe it's all my fault!!!! NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns. Keith B
  • Score: 18

10:31am Fri 6 Jun 14

3thinker says...

Keith B wrote:
Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes.

However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's

Maybe it's all my fault!!!!

NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.
How refreshing Keith. An honest politician.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes. However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's Maybe it's all my fault!!!! NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.[/p][/quote]How refreshing Keith. An honest politician. 3thinker
  • Score: 14

10:37am Fri 6 Jun 14

thompson9100 says...

Northern link definitely a help, however public transport is diabolical in this city. Buses at peak times are REDUCED rather than maintained or increased, services are not showing people to go where they want, when they want, and when it's cheaper to park for the day than get a return ticket, who'd use the bus anyway? Compare that to how FirstGroup run services in and around Weymouth, or Wilts and Dorset around Poole, and my my what a difference. Quality public transport is a key area to reduce congestion, but that's not been on the agenda in this city for as long as I can remember.
Northern link definitely a help, however public transport is diabolical in this city. Buses at peak times are REDUCED rather than maintained or increased, services are not showing people to go where they want, when they want, and when it's cheaper to park for the day than get a return ticket, who'd use the bus anyway? Compare that to how FirstGroup run services in and around Weymouth, or Wilts and Dorset around Poole, and my my what a difference. Quality public transport is a key area to reduce congestion, but that's not been on the agenda in this city for as long as I can remember. thompson9100
  • Score: 18

10:40am Fri 6 Jun 14

thompson9100 says...

Sorry for the typo above. Should read "not alien people to go where they want...". The joy of mobile technology!
Sorry for the typo above. Should read "not alien people to go where they want...". The joy of mobile technology! thompson9100
  • Score: 1

10:42am Fri 6 Jun 14

thompson9100 says...

Gosh darn it! My eyes don't work well either! "allow" was the word I was looking for!
Gosh darn it! My eyes don't work well either! "allow" was the word I was looking for! thompson9100
  • Score: 5

10:51am Fri 6 Jun 14

Hwicce says...

If you want to get traffic out of the City you've got to have an alternative.

What's the alternative for traffic going from the west wanting to go north up the M5? Public transport? - no chance, southern link? - already full, Holt Fleet? - you've got to be kidding.
If you want to get traffic out of the City you've got to have an alternative. What's the alternative for traffic going from the west wanting to go north up the M5? Public transport? - no chance, southern link? - already full, Holt Fleet? - you've got to be kidding. Hwicce
  • Score: 8

11:13am Fri 6 Jun 14

voledog says...

The problem is that everyone is driving on the wrong side of the road. It has to be more than a coincidence that our new 'man of the people' mayor hails from St. Albans, which is also one of the worst places for congestion. Shouldn't we all just follow his lead and switch from the left to the right?
The problem is that everyone is driving on the wrong side of the road. It has to be more than a coincidence that our new 'man of the people' mayor hails from St. Albans, which is also one of the worst places for congestion. Shouldn't we all just follow his lead and switch from the left to the right? voledog
  • Score: 5

11:28am Fri 6 Jun 14

pedalbiker says...

It's obvious a north Worcester bridge and link road is the only long term solution and it's so sad that the powers that be will not act on this. In the short term journey times through the city would improve if all the traffic lights were switched off and replaced with give way junctions. If this is too radical for our conservative (with a small c) local politicians, why not reset them so they actually respond to traffic flow? One of the newest sets at the cross-roads by the new Medical Centre at the end of Bromyard Road stay red on the main road for an eternity to allow often just one car to come out of the new housing estate! Also, traffic coming out of the city along Bromyard Road is held up by the lack of a right turn lane at the lights by A44 Garage/Chip shop and into Dines Green although these junctions have recently been revamped with enough space for this, but sadly neglected.
It's obvious a north Worcester bridge and link road is the only long term solution and it's so sad that the powers that be will not act on this. In the short term journey times through the city would improve if all the traffic lights were switched off and replaced with give way junctions. If this is too radical for our conservative (with a small c) local politicians, why not reset them so they actually respond to traffic flow? One of the newest sets at the cross-roads by the new Medical Centre at the end of Bromyard Road stay red on the main road for an eternity to allow often just one car to come out of the new housing estate! Also, traffic coming out of the city along Bromyard Road is held up by the lack of a right turn lane at the lights by A44 Garage/Chip shop and into Dines Green although these junctions have recently been revamped with enough space for this, but sadly neglected. pedalbiker
  • Score: 11

11:45am Fri 6 Jun 14

Hwicce says...

pedalbiker wrote:
It's obvious a north Worcester bridge and link road is the only long term solution and it's so sad that the powers that be will not act on this. In the short term journey times through the city would improve if all the traffic lights were switched off and replaced with give way junctions. If this is too radical for our conservative (with a small c) local politicians, why not reset them so they actually respond to traffic flow? One of the newest sets at the cross-roads by the new Medical Centre at the end of Bromyard Road stay red on the main road for an eternity to allow often just one car to come out of the new housing estate! Also, traffic coming out of the city along Bromyard Road is held up by the lack of a right turn lane at the lights by A44 Garage/Chip shop and into Dines Green although these junctions have recently been revamped with enough space for this, but sadly neglected.
I agree that junction is a right pain in the nether regions.
[quote][p][bold]pedalbiker[/bold] wrote: It's obvious a north Worcester bridge and link road is the only long term solution and it's so sad that the powers that be will not act on this. In the short term journey times through the city would improve if all the traffic lights were switched off and replaced with give way junctions. If this is too radical for our conservative (with a small c) local politicians, why not reset them so they actually respond to traffic flow? One of the newest sets at the cross-roads by the new Medical Centre at the end of Bromyard Road stay red on the main road for an eternity to allow often just one car to come out of the new housing estate! Also, traffic coming out of the city along Bromyard Road is held up by the lack of a right turn lane at the lights by A44 Garage/Chip shop and into Dines Green although these junctions have recently been revamped with enough space for this, but sadly neglected.[/p][/quote]I agree that junction is a right pain in the nether regions. Hwicce
  • Score: 5

11:46am Fri 6 Jun 14

localman69 says...

3thinker wrote:
The big new housing developments needed to pay for dualling the southern link may easy congestion along the bypass, but it will also add more cars onto the City's already congested network. All the out of town development by the M5 and on the west of the City will have a similar effect.

When will the penny drop that simply building new roads can't and won't solve the problem.

Its simple Simon.

Congestion is caused by too many cars. The answer is to reduce car use at peak times.

When Labour controlled the City you and the County refused to get involved in working jointly to look at how best to reduce congestion. Now you're back, please can you have a look at a wider range of options rather than simply dualling the southern link and decreasing parking charges (which although 'popular' may actually add to the congestion).
Too many cars because of too many people. When are people going to realise that there are too many people in this country?
[quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: The big new housing developments needed to pay for dualling the southern link may easy congestion along the bypass, but it will also add more cars onto the City's already congested network. All the out of town development by the M5 and on the west of the City will have a similar effect. When will the penny drop that simply building new roads can't and won't solve the problem. Its simple Simon. Congestion is caused by too many cars. The answer is to reduce car use at peak times. When Labour controlled the City you and the County refused to get involved in working jointly to look at how best to reduce congestion. Now you're back, please can you have a look at a wider range of options rather than simply dualling the southern link and decreasing parking charges (which although 'popular' may actually add to the congestion).[/p][/quote]Too many cars because of too many people. When are people going to realise that there are too many people in this country? localman69
  • Score: 11

11:56am Fri 6 Jun 14

thompson9100 says...

3thinker - em, on average head per square mile isn't bad in England compared to some other countries. I think there is an argument for our history also being part of the problem, and when the new developments are occupied the city roads won't cope, so good only knows how that will be sorted out, with our ancient road network layout. Bring back the trams!
3thinker - em, on average head per square mile isn't bad in England compared to some other countries. I think there is an argument for our history also being part of the problem, and when the new developments are occupied the city roads won't cope, so good only knows how that will be sorted out, with our ancient road network layout. Bring back the trams! thompson9100
  • Score: 6

11:57am Fri 6 Jun 14

BC10ax says...

Building new houses to pay for congestion relief measures. That is almost unbelievably stupid.

Any measures taken, no doubt at great expense and inconvenience to the rest of us, will be rendered useless by the increased traffic in the area.

This shows yet more of the true cost of open door immigration, the real cause for the extra housing.
Building new houses to pay for congestion relief measures. That is almost unbelievably stupid. Any measures taken, no doubt at great expense and inconvenience to the rest of us, will be rendered useless by the increased traffic in the area. This shows yet more of the true cost of open door immigration, the real cause for the extra housing. BC10ax
  • Score: -6

12:04pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Tobster says...

1) A north bridge to complete the ring road.

2) Stop building houses; the city is full.

3) To make (2) practical; people need to stop having so many kids. Why does anyone need more than two kids? (And I say that despite being one of three).
1) A north bridge to complete the ring road. 2) Stop building houses; the city is full. 3) To make (2) practical; people need to stop having so many kids. Why does anyone need more than two kids? (And I say that despite being one of three). Tobster
  • Score: 5

12:14pm Fri 6 Jun 14

3thinker says...

There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later.

In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.
There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later. In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices. 3thinker
  • Score: 6

12:18pm Fri 6 Jun 14

brooksider says...

BC10ax wrote:
Building new houses to pay for congestion relief measures. That is almost unbelievably stupid.

Any measures taken, no doubt at great expense and inconvenience to the rest of us, will be rendered useless by the increased traffic in the area.

This shows yet more of the true cost of open door immigration, the real cause for the extra housing.
Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]BC10ax[/bold] wrote: Building new houses to pay for congestion relief measures. That is almost unbelievably stupid. Any measures taken, no doubt at great expense and inconvenience to the rest of us, will be rendered useless by the increased traffic in the area. This shows yet more of the true cost of open door immigration, the real cause for the extra housing.[/p][/quote]Idiot. brooksider
  • Score: 6

12:42pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Mike5305 says...

3thinker wrote:
Keith B wrote:
Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes.

However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's

Maybe it's all my fault!!!!

NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.
How refreshing Keith. An honest politician.
More like a typical politician - wise after the event!
[quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes. However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's Maybe it's all my fault!!!! NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.[/p][/quote]How refreshing Keith. An honest politician.[/p][/quote]More like a typical politician - wise after the event! Mike5305
  • Score: 5

2:08pm Fri 6 Jun 14

skychip says...

Obviously we don't want more houses adding to the congestion. Didn't think the situation was so bad here.
Obviously we don't want more houses adding to the congestion. Didn't think the situation was so bad here. skychip
  • Score: 5

2:23pm Fri 6 Jun 14

truth must out says...

thompson9100 wrote:
Northern link definitely a help, however public transport is diabolical in this city. Buses at peak times are REDUCED rather than maintained or increased, services are not showing people to go where they want, when they want, and when it's cheaper to park for the day than get a return ticket, who'd use the bus anyway? Compare that to how FirstGroup run services in and around Weymouth, or Wilts and Dorset around Poole, and my my what a difference. Quality public transport is a key area to reduce congestion, but that's not been on the agenda in this city for as long as I can remember.
Too right, I can park for 4 hours for the price of a return bus ticket........and I live within walking distance of the centre. Yes I do walk before any comments.......
[quote][p][bold]thompson9100[/bold] wrote: Northern link definitely a help, however public transport is diabolical in this city. Buses at peak times are REDUCED rather than maintained or increased, services are not showing people to go where they want, when they want, and when it's cheaper to park for the day than get a return ticket, who'd use the bus anyway? Compare that to how FirstGroup run services in and around Weymouth, or Wilts and Dorset around Poole, and my my what a difference. Quality public transport is a key area to reduce congestion, but that's not been on the agenda in this city for as long as I can remember.[/p][/quote]Too right, I can park for 4 hours for the price of a return bus ticket........and I live within walking distance of the centre. Yes I do walk before any comments....... truth must out
  • Score: 11

2:44pm Fri 6 Jun 14

3thinker says...

truth must out wrote:
thompson9100 wrote:
Northern link definitely a help, however public transport is diabolical in this city. Buses at peak times are REDUCED rather than maintained or increased, services are not showing people to go where they want, when they want, and when it's cheaper to park for the day than get a return ticket, who'd use the bus anyway? Compare that to how FirstGroup run services in and around Weymouth, or Wilts and Dorset around Poole, and my my what a difference. Quality public transport is a key area to reduce congestion, but that's not been on the agenda in this city for as long as I can remember.
Too right, I can park for 4 hours for the price of a return bus ticket........and I live within walking distance of the centre. Yes I do walk before any comments.......
Exactly.

I know its a populist move, but why would anyone take the bus and help reduce congestion if its cheaper to drive and park.
[quote][p][bold]truth must out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thompson9100[/bold] wrote: Northern link definitely a help, however public transport is diabolical in this city. Buses at peak times are REDUCED rather than maintained or increased, services are not showing people to go where they want, when they want, and when it's cheaper to park for the day than get a return ticket, who'd use the bus anyway? Compare that to how FirstGroup run services in and around Weymouth, or Wilts and Dorset around Poole, and my my what a difference. Quality public transport is a key area to reduce congestion, but that's not been on the agenda in this city for as long as I can remember.[/p][/quote]Too right, I can park for 4 hours for the price of a return bus ticket........and I live within walking distance of the centre. Yes I do walk before any comments.......[/p][/quote]Exactly. I know its a populist move, but why would anyone take the bus and help reduce congestion if its cheaper to drive and park. 3thinker
  • Score: 12

3:05pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Moltaire says...

HD Learner, a nationally recognised, award winning and hugely successful driving school based in Worcester will be on BBC Hereford and Worcester this afternoon at 5.20pm to discuss Worcester's dreadful traffic problems. If it's the same person the radio have interviewed on many occasions before, he talks sense and has a grasp of how roads should be maintained, managed and design. Worcestershire's highways department could so do with him at the helm!
HD Learner, a nationally recognised, award winning and hugely successful driving school based in Worcester will be on BBC Hereford and Worcester this afternoon at 5.20pm to discuss Worcester's dreadful traffic problems. If it's the same person the radio have interviewed on many occasions before, he talks sense and has a grasp of how roads should be maintained, managed and design. Worcestershire's highways department could so do with him at the helm! Moltaire
  • Score: 0

3:11pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Moltaire says...

The reason for the problems is simple; Worcestershire County Council's highways department. Worcester is a nightmare to drive in and around, especially during rush hour. Their inability to design roads and road layouts properly (and safely), traffic lights that are not sequenced with each other, poorly located (and often too many) zebra and pelican crossings, awful signage, poorly managed road works and the total lack of a strategic and holistic approach to road design and building (e.g. no desire to the complete ring road) are the reasons why these problems are purely a result of Worcestershire county council's highways department.

More homes will of course lead to more cars, but the highways department are not keeping pace and they're simply not making the right decisions or spending money wisely, instead too busy spending millions tinkering on half-hearted schemes here and there which will add minimal value to easing Worcester's congestion, and not investing anything in to other modes of transport either. Almost every other highways department works well, but not Worcestershire's. Why??!!
The reason for the problems is simple; Worcestershire County Council's highways department. Worcester is a nightmare to drive in and around, especially during rush hour. Their inability to design roads and road layouts properly (and safely), traffic lights that are not sequenced with each other, poorly located (and often too many) zebra and pelican crossings, awful signage, poorly managed road works and the total lack of a strategic and holistic approach to road design and building (e.g. no desire to the complete ring road) are the reasons why these problems are purely a result of Worcestershire county council's highways department. More homes will of course lead to more cars, but the highways department are not keeping pace and they're simply not making the right decisions or spending money wisely, instead too busy spending millions tinkering on half-hearted schemes here and there which will add minimal value to easing Worcester's congestion, and not investing anything in to other modes of transport either. Almost every other highways department works well, but not Worcestershire's. Why??!! Moltaire
  • Score: 11

4:55pm Fri 6 Jun 14

BC10ax says...

3thinker wrote:
There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later.

In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.
The country's population has increased by millions in just a few years.

Your stat about the racial mix in the county reveals only your obsession with race.

The issue here is about numbers, and the numbers here are rising and set to rise further, as part of the immigration led population boom.

This is a classic case of immigration causing pressure and costs. No wonder it is so unpopular.
[quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later. In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.[/p][/quote]The country's population has increased by millions in just a few years. Your stat about the racial mix in the county reveals only your obsession with race. The issue here is about numbers, and the numbers here are rising and set to rise further, as part of the immigration led population boom. This is a classic case of immigration causing pressure and costs. No wonder it is so unpopular. BC10ax
  • Score: 0

5:03pm Fri 6 Jun 14

no to northern link says...

the survey seems to contradict itself - Worcester has the 3rd worst rush hour traffic, but traffic moves at a greater speed than other places???

In any case, my experience is that rush hour traffic is very light during school holidays which suggests that much of the traffic is school run related, dropping kids at city centre schools i.e. not bypass traffic.
Even if a northern link helped a bit, would it really be worth bulldozing houses, destroying the natural habitat, spoiling the river severn countryside and spending £200m+ just to save a minute or two on a car journey?

And would it really be worth building 1000's of houses to pay for it?
the survey seems to contradict itself - Worcester has the 3rd worst rush hour traffic, but traffic moves at a greater speed than other places??? In any case, my experience is that rush hour traffic is very light during school holidays which suggests that much of the traffic is school run related, dropping kids at city centre schools i.e. not bypass traffic. Even if a northern link helped a bit, would it really be worth bulldozing houses, destroying the natural habitat, spoiling the river severn countryside and spending £200m+ just to save a minute or two on a car journey? And would it really be worth building 1000's of houses to pay for it? no to northern link
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Fri 6 Jun 14

3thinker says...

no to northern link wrote:
the survey seems to contradict itself - Worcester has the 3rd worst rush hour traffic, but traffic moves at a greater speed than other places???

In any case, my experience is that rush hour traffic is very light during school holidays which suggests that much of the traffic is school run related, dropping kids at city centre schools i.e. not bypass traffic.
Even if a northern link helped a bit, would it really be worth bulldozing houses, destroying the natural habitat, spoiling the river severn countryside and spending £200m+ just to save a minute or two on a car journey?

And would it really be worth building 1000's of houses to pay for it?
If lots of the congestion is the school run then surely it makes sense for the county and city to explore how it can make it safer and easier for more parents to let their kids walk or cycle to school or even take the bus and car share. may be even changes to the start and finish times for some schools.

I'm sure if there are a variety of ways in which the number of car journeys could be reduced at peak times.

What is certain is that dualling the southern link is at best only a partial answer and at worse may make things worse.
[quote][p][bold]no to northern link[/bold] wrote: the survey seems to contradict itself - Worcester has the 3rd worst rush hour traffic, but traffic moves at a greater speed than other places??? In any case, my experience is that rush hour traffic is very light during school holidays which suggests that much of the traffic is school run related, dropping kids at city centre schools i.e. not bypass traffic. Even if a northern link helped a bit, would it really be worth bulldozing houses, destroying the natural habitat, spoiling the river severn countryside and spending £200m+ just to save a minute or two on a car journey? And would it really be worth building 1000's of houses to pay for it?[/p][/quote]If lots of the congestion is the school run then surely it makes sense for the county and city to explore how it can make it safer and easier for more parents to let their kids walk or cycle to school or even take the bus and car share. may be even changes to the start and finish times for some schools. I'm sure if there are a variety of ways in which the number of car journeys could be reduced at peak times. What is certain is that dualling the southern link is at best only a partial answer and at worse may make things worse. 3thinker
  • Score: 14

5:17pm Fri 6 Jun 14

uptonX says...

Moltaire wrote:
The reason for the problems is simple; Worcestershire County Council's highways department. Worcester is a nightmare to drive in and around, especially during rush hour. Their inability to design roads and road layouts properly (and safely), traffic lights that are not sequenced with each other, poorly located (and often too many) zebra and pelican crossings, awful signage, poorly managed road works and the total lack of a strategic and holistic approach to road design and building (e.g. no desire to the complete ring road) are the reasons why these problems are purely a result of Worcestershire county council's highways department.

More homes will of course lead to more cars, but the highways department are not keeping pace and they're simply not making the right decisions or spending money wisely, instead too busy spending millions tinkering on half-hearted schemes here and there which will add minimal value to easing Worcester's congestion, and not investing anything in to other modes of transport either. Almost every other highways department works well, but not Worcestershire's. Why??!!
Exactly, the recent traffic problems around the city almost all have at their source an idiotic Worcestershire Highways "improvement scheme".
We HAVE to get rid of the people at Highways who are making these decisions and restore some common sense and financial accountability.
[quote][p][bold]Moltaire[/bold] wrote: The reason for the problems is simple; Worcestershire County Council's highways department. Worcester is a nightmare to drive in and around, especially during rush hour. Their inability to design roads and road layouts properly (and safely), traffic lights that are not sequenced with each other, poorly located (and often too many) zebra and pelican crossings, awful signage, poorly managed road works and the total lack of a strategic and holistic approach to road design and building (e.g. no desire to the complete ring road) are the reasons why these problems are purely a result of Worcestershire county council's highways department. More homes will of course lead to more cars, but the highways department are not keeping pace and they're simply not making the right decisions or spending money wisely, instead too busy spending millions tinkering on half-hearted schemes here and there which will add minimal value to easing Worcester's congestion, and not investing anything in to other modes of transport either. Almost every other highways department works well, but not Worcestershire's. Why??!![/p][/quote]Exactly, the recent traffic problems around the city almost all have at their source an idiotic Worcestershire Highways "improvement scheme". We HAVE to get rid of the people at Highways who are making these decisions and restore some common sense and financial accountability. uptonX
  • Score: 7

6:15pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Keith B says...

3thinker wrote:
Keith B wrote:
Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes.

However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's

Maybe it's all my fault!!!!

NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.
How refreshing Keith. An honest politician.
That's why I'm no longer a politician !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes. However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's Maybe it's all my fault!!!! NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.[/p][/quote]How refreshing Keith. An honest politician.[/p][/quote]That's why I'm no longer a politician !!!!! Keith B
  • Score: 5

6:17pm Fri 6 Jun 14

no to northern link says...

A further observation is that there has been a huge amount of extra housing built in and around the city centre (e.g. The Butts, Newport St, Diglis Basin etc) - therefore a great many people start their journeys in the city centre and add to city centre congestion. Again, a link round would make no real difference.

There is no easy answer - maybe we just have to accept it or leave our cars at home.
A further observation is that there has been a huge amount of extra housing built in and around the city centre (e.g. The Butts, Newport St, Diglis Basin etc) - therefore a great many people start their journeys in the city centre and add to city centre congestion. Again, a link round would make no real difference. There is no easy answer - maybe we just have to accept it or leave our cars at home. no to northern link
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Keith B says...

Mike5305 wrote:
3thinker wrote:
Keith B wrote:
Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes.

However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's

Maybe it's all my fault!!!!

NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.
How refreshing Keith. An honest politician.
More like a typical politician - wise after the event!
No actually Mike - I was just representing my constituents to the best of my ability. It didn't have to be my preference but it was what the people I represented wanted - I consulted and informed, .... and didn't have a Party whip at my heals either. That's what being a community representative is about. Also it's having a willingness to keep re-assessing decisions - so 35 years on (more than half my lifetime) I might come to a different conclusion.

But not if it was against the wishes and best interests of the people I represent - but then I'm no longer the Councillor for the area.
[quote][p][bold]Mike5305[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: Of course there's a silver bullet - A northern bridge and link through Hallow and Broadheath Parishes. However, I do remember that being District Councillor for Hallow and a Broadheath Parish Councillor I fought that suggestion tooth and nail back in 1980's Maybe it's all my fault!!!! NIMBYism is alive and well and living in these columns.[/p][/quote]How refreshing Keith. An honest politician.[/p][/quote]More like a typical politician - wise after the event![/p][/quote]No actually Mike - I was just representing my constituents to the best of my ability. It didn't have to be my preference but it was what the people I represented wanted - I consulted and informed, .... and didn't have a Party whip at my heals either. That's what being a community representative is about. Also it's having a willingness to keep re-assessing decisions - so 35 years on (more than half my lifetime) I might come to a different conclusion. But not if it was against the wishes and best interests of the people I represent - but then I'm no longer the Councillor for the area. Keith B
  • Score: 3

8:16pm Fri 6 Jun 14

DarrenM says...

Moltaire wrote:
HD Learner, a nationally recognised, award winning and hugely successful driving school based in Worcester will be on BBC Hereford and Worcester this afternoon at 5.20pm to discuss Worcester's dreadful traffic problems. If it's the same person the radio have interviewed on many occasions before, he talks sense and has a grasp of how roads should be maintained, managed and design. Worcestershire's highways department could so do with him at the helm!
and teaching people to drive gives him what qualifications in traffic management above joe bloggs off the street with a driving license exactly? or is there some part of the ADI qualification that deals with traffic flow patterns in peak times, and junction design that I missed?
[quote][p][bold]Moltaire[/bold] wrote: HD Learner, a nationally recognised, award winning and hugely successful driving school based in Worcester will be on BBC Hereford and Worcester this afternoon at 5.20pm to discuss Worcester's dreadful traffic problems. If it's the same person the radio have interviewed on many occasions before, he talks sense and has a grasp of how roads should be maintained, managed and design. Worcestershire's highways department could so do with him at the helm![/p][/quote]and teaching people to drive gives him what qualifications in traffic management above joe bloggs off the street with a driving license exactly? or is there some part of the ADI qualification that deals with traffic flow patterns in peak times, and junction design that I missed? DarrenM
  • Score: 3

8:48pm Fri 6 Jun 14

poontangy says...

3thinker wrote:
There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later.

In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.
Worcestershire may be mostly white British but try to buy or rent a small house in say, the arboretum, and being White British you will almost certainly be in the minority. The problem with houses is at the lower, entry level end, with these bought up at stupid prices and let out out to multiple families living in the same house. The layout of these types of victorian houses means you can easily convert a two bed into a three bed, using the ' living room', which is often seperate.hence a shortage of houses at the lower end of this type. THATS the problem and always has been since buy to let mortgages became available.
[quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later. In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.[/p][/quote]Worcestershire may be mostly white British but try to buy or rent a small house in say, the arboretum, and being White British you will almost certainly be in the minority. The problem with houses is at the lower, entry level end, with these bought up at stupid prices and let out out to multiple families living in the same house. The layout of these types of victorian houses means you can easily convert a two bed into a three bed, using the ' living room', which is often seperate.hence a shortage of houses at the lower end of this type. THATS the problem and always has been since buy to let mortgages became available. poontangy
  • Score: 3

2:41pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Rita Jelfs says...

Counsellor Geraghty said there's "No silver bullet" to address congestion (well he would say that wouldn't he). Does he think cosmetic tampering to alter travelling behaviour will have much effect, in view of the 2011 Transport Review that took 70 million out of the transport budget, and an admission that it would need 200 million to address some of the problems. Congestion hasn't just happened overnight. What has Worcester County Council been doing for the last 20 years? Two car families during peak times increases congestion, parking costs that don't deter travel to the city or reflect the true congestion cost, and bus transport that doesn't satisfy the needs of users, are a indications of poor congestion policy.
Priority bus lanes and priority bus signalling, express bus lanes, "park and ride", and safe bike lanes might help to encourage car users into other modes. But increased population growth around Worcester will need more innovative measures, not reductions in spending.
Counsellor Geraghty said there's "No silver bullet" to address congestion (well he would say that wouldn't he). Does he think cosmetic tampering to alter travelling behaviour will have much effect, in view of the 2011 Transport Review that took 70 million out of the transport budget, and an admission that it would need 200 million to address some of the problems. Congestion hasn't just happened overnight. What has Worcester County Council been doing for the last 20 years? Two car families during peak times increases congestion, parking costs that don't deter travel to the city or reflect the true congestion cost, and bus transport that doesn't satisfy the needs of users, are a indications of poor congestion policy. Priority bus lanes and priority bus signalling, express bus lanes, "park and ride", and safe bike lanes might help to encourage car users into other modes. But increased population growth around Worcester will need more innovative measures, not reductions in spending. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: 3

3:44pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Ghost of DERA Past says...

On what planet does the councilor think people live that he thinks they choose to go through the city center rather than along the southern bypass?
On what planet does the councilor think people live that he thinks they choose to go through the city center rather than along the southern bypass? Ghost of DERA Past
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Keith B says...

sorry mate .... my wife for one who travels 18 miles to work (despite her employer saying she should cycle) from the West side to East who finds that on average it's quicker to go through the City than around the by-pass and me (though I don't regularly commute) because I think that Worcester is one of the best and most beautiful City's in the World to look at rather than the bland concrete and fences of the by-pass. I'd rather take an extra ten minutes going through Worcester than around that bland bit of road. Sometimes we don't appreciate what's right under our noses.
sorry mate .... my wife for one who travels 18 miles to work (despite her employer saying she should cycle) from the West side to East who finds that on average it's quicker to go through the City than around the by-pass and me (though I don't regularly commute) because I think that Worcester is one of the best and most beautiful City's in the World to look at rather than the bland concrete and fences of the by-pass. I'd rather take an extra ten minutes going through Worcester than around that bland bit of road. Sometimes we don't appreciate what's right under our noses. Keith B
  • Score: -2

11:09pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Small Town says...

The "problem" is simply that we there's a river running right through the centre of the city we live in, thus thankfully a limited number of points to travel via.

So we have to 'suffer' a few mins extra in our cars because of it, so what, I'd much rather have the waterscape of the Severn than a rat run of endless roads between St Johns and the city centre. I mean, 8 mins on our journeys, really, what would you be doing if you got those 8 mins back, watching ITV1 would be my guess.

As for those saying "stop building".... ha ha, yeah, now you're living here pull up the draw-bridge, selfish attitudes abound. Shocking.
The "problem" is simply that we there's a river running right through the centre of the city we live in, thus thankfully a limited number of points to travel via. So we have to 'suffer' a few mins extra in our cars because of it, so what, I'd much rather have the waterscape of the Severn than a rat run of endless roads between St Johns and the city centre. I mean, 8 mins on our journeys, really, what would you be doing if you got those 8 mins back, watching ITV1 would be my guess. As for those saying "stop building".... ha ha, yeah, now you're living here pull up the draw-bridge, selfish attitudes abound. Shocking. Small Town
  • Score: -6

11:11pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Small Town says...

poontangy wrote:
3thinker wrote:
There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later.

In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.
Worcestershire may be mostly white British but try to buy or rent a small house in say, the arboretum, and being White British you will almost certainly be in the minority. The problem with houses is at the lower, entry level end, with these bought up at stupid prices and let out out to multiple families living in the same house. The layout of these types of victorian houses means you can easily convert a two bed into a three bed, using the ' living room', which is often seperate.hence a shortage of houses at the lower end of this type. THATS the problem and always has been since buy to let mortgages became available.
Racist Scum.
[quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later. In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.[/p][/quote]Worcestershire may be mostly white British but try to buy or rent a small house in say, the arboretum, and being White British you will almost certainly be in the minority. The problem with houses is at the lower, entry level end, with these bought up at stupid prices and let out out to multiple families living in the same house. The layout of these types of victorian houses means you can easily convert a two bed into a three bed, using the ' living room', which is often seperate.hence a shortage of houses at the lower end of this type. THATS the problem and always has been since buy to let mortgages became available.[/p][/quote]Racist Scum. Small Town
  • Score: -8

11:49pm Sat 7 Jun 14

chrism says...

I hope somebody is storing all the Geraghty quotes about how the Southern Link "improvements" will solve the problem to quote back at him when they make no difference at all (or likely make things worse). Not that I expect that to bother him at all.
I hope somebody is storing all the Geraghty quotes about how the Southern Link "improvements" will solve the problem to quote back at him when they make no difference at all (or likely make things worse). Not that I expect that to bother him at all. chrism
  • Score: 2

12:07am Sun 8 Jun 14

chrism says...

I expect to get hugely downvoted for this (as usual for any comment on here advocating cycling over motoring), but 3thinker touched on it above - one potential real solution to the problem is to encourage cycling enough to reduce the number of car journeys. This would be a win win - because as much as the avid motorists on here seem to hate all cyclists and all cycling advocacy, every person on a bike is one less car on the road, so increasing the number of journeys taken by bicycle would actually also benefit those who are wedded to their cars.

In the Netherlands 90% of children cycle to school, hence there simply isn't the same issue with school run traffic. I challenge any of the motoring fans on here to explain to me why this isn't a good thing, or why achieving such figures here wouldn't make their lives a whole lot better. The only way we're going to achieve such figures is by building equivalent infrastructure - which is where I expect them to start liking the solution a lot less - that is until they think about it properly and realise that the cost of such infrastructure would be a fraction of what is currently spent on the roads without solving the problem. Come on, you know that in reality this would actually make all of our lives a lit better.
I expect to get hugely downvoted for this (as usual for any comment on here advocating cycling over motoring), but 3thinker touched on it above - one potential real solution to the problem is to encourage cycling enough to reduce the number of car journeys. This would be a win win - because as much as the avid motorists on here seem to hate all cyclists and all cycling advocacy, every person on a bike is one less car on the road, so increasing the number of journeys taken by bicycle would actually also benefit those who are wedded to their cars. In the Netherlands 90% of children cycle to school, hence there simply isn't the same issue with school run traffic. I challenge any of the motoring fans on here to explain to me why this isn't a good thing, or why achieving such figures here wouldn't make their lives a whole lot better. The only way we're going to achieve such figures is by building equivalent infrastructure - which is where I expect them to start liking the solution a lot less - that is until they think about it properly and realise that the cost of such infrastructure would be a fraction of what is currently spent on the roads without solving the problem. Come on, you know that in reality this would actually make all of our lives a lit better. chrism
  • Score: 5

12:08am Sun 8 Jun 14

chrism says...

Oh, and at James Connell, I know how much he likes cyclists.
Oh, and at James Connell, I know how much he likes cyclists. chrism
  • Score: 2

12:09am Sun 8 Jun 14

chrism says...

waves, the last post was meant to have "waves" in it, but the stupid WN comment system is so broken it deleted it.
waves, the last post was meant to have "waves" in it, but the stupid WN comment system is so broken it deleted it. chrism
  • Score: 1

3:02am Sun 8 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

The need for more housing is to address the actual current shortage of accommadation available right now. And of course it isn't being Racist to understand that if we have a housing shortage right now , with open door policies on Imigration the problem worsens, since of course many imigrants come here not for housing, but for the money available be it from working or benefits, and are overcrowding properties (many owned by their own nationals) because in many cases it is still bettter than what they had back home..
The desperate need for one bed properties to help with under occupation has been missed by successive governments.
Much of the occupation over business premisses in the City centre cannot be used because of access problems, and many busnesses quite rightly don't want to expose their businesses to problems from having shall we say less careful tenants above their shops etc.
So we have to build more houses of the correct size needed to address the currrent problem but be mindful of the needs / Types of houses, a few years down the line..
The need for more housing is to address the actual current shortage of accommadation available right now. And of course it isn't being Racist to understand that if we have a housing shortage right now , with open door policies on Imigration the problem worsens, since of course many imigrants come here not for housing, but for the money available be it from working or benefits, and are overcrowding properties (many owned by their own nationals) because in many cases it is still bettter than what they had back home.. The desperate need for one bed properties to help with under occupation has been missed by successive governments. Much of the occupation over business premisses in the City centre cannot be used because of access problems, and many busnesses quite rightly don't want to expose their businesses to problems from having shall we say less careful tenants above their shops etc. So we have to build more houses of the correct size needed to address the currrent problem but be mindful of the needs / Types of houses, a few years down the line.. Jabbadad
  • Score: -2

12:47pm Sun 8 Jun 14

gmoore1207 says...

Cllr Simon Geraghty, leader of Worcester City Council and deputy leader of Worcestershire County Council, said ongoing improvement work - including the including dualling of the Southern Link Road - is key to resolving Worcester’s traffic problems.what a load of ****
Cllr Simon Geraghty, leader of Worcester City Council and deputy leader of Worcestershire County Council, said ongoing improvement work - including the including dualling of the Southern Link Road - is key to resolving Worcester’s traffic problems.what a load of **** gmoore1207
  • Score: 1

3:09pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Chronos says...

pedalbiker wrote:
It's obvious a north Worcester bridge and link road is the only long term solution and it's so sad that the powers that be will not act on this. In the short term journey times through the city would improve if all the traffic lights were switched off and replaced with give way junctions. If this is too radical for our conservative (with a small c) local politicians, why not reset them so they actually respond to traffic flow? One of the newest sets at the cross-roads by the new Medical Centre at the end of Bromyard Road stay red on the main road for an eternity to allow often just one car to come out of the new housing estate! Also, traffic coming out of the city along Bromyard Road is held up by the lack of a right turn lane at the lights by A44 Garage/Chip shop and into Dines Green although these junctions have recently been revamped with enough space for this, but sadly neglected.
I couldn't agree more.

Why on earth didn't they put a roundabout here (with either Pelican or Zebra crossings near entrance) - as you correctly say, there's plenty of room for this option.

It seems to me that the siting of traffic lights in Worcester is often completely counterintuitive and seemingly random. For example, I cannot fathom the thinking behind siting traffic control at the junction of Greenway Drive and Diglis Lane. I can’t believe the volume of traffic passing through this junction anywhere near justifies the expense of six traffic lights.

On the other side of the coin, there is surely a good case to be made for traffic control at the extremely busy junction of Hallow Road and Martley Road? Or maybe even at the junction of Henwick Road and Hylton Road? Or how about at the junction of Astwood Road and Bilford Road? (Incidentally, I’m not advocating lights at these junctions, just illustrating my point that these are much busier than some that do have lights).

In addition, there are numerous sites around the city (as PEDALBIKER points out at Bromyard Road/Broadway Grove) where there is ample room to install a filter lane, but for some inexplicable reason, they are not implemented. Off the top of my head, we already have a potential filter lane (heading out of the City) at the junction of Tolladine Road and Shrub Hill Road where traffic could be allowed to flow while the right lane is held. Further up Tolladine Road, there is plenty of room to create a filter lane where Tolladine Road branches off into Middle Hollow Drive.

One solution to the traffic light problem (again as alluded to by PEDALBIKER) might be to do what they used to do in Birmingham (and may still do so?), where many busy roundabouts and some junctions have traffic lights, but these are only switched on during ‘rush’ hours and other periods of high flow.

I often wonder if the Council is genuinely ignorant or unconvinced of the benefits of installing some of these logical, common sense strategies (that would undoubtedly improve traffic flow), or whether this is, as I suspect, a DELIBERATE policy on their behalf to actually increase congestion and bring down the speed of the traffic.

I can only assume there must be ‘good’ reasons for this modus operandi on their part. For what it’s worth, here are my three theories:
1. COST. If it’s cost, then I’d love to hear a justification for the complete waste of money that was the introduction of bus lanes in Newtown Road and Bromyard Road.
2. PUBLIC TRANSPORT. It maybe that by making Worcester such an unpleasant place to drive through, they’re attempting to motivate motorists to leave the car at home and use public transport instead.
3. PEDESTRIANS. My final theory is that people are not taught how to cross the road properly anymore. On a daily basis, I see pedestrians wandering aimlessly into and across roads, some preoccupied with talking on their mobiles and taking little notice of the traffic braking and swerving to avoid them. Worse still are young mums, who think all they need do to cross the road anywhere they like is to push a pram or buggy off the kerb to get the traffic to stop.
In the current culture of blame and accountability, I can only surmise that by erecting traffic/pedestrian controlled lights everywhere, the Council is alleviating itself of any responsibility should anyone decide to cross elsewhere and get run down.

What this City needs is a common sense approach to traffic management, with some semblance of forward planning, else before long we will (quite literally) grind to a complete halt.
[quote][p][bold]pedalbiker[/bold] wrote: It's obvious a north Worcester bridge and link road is the only long term solution and it's so sad that the powers that be will not act on this. In the short term journey times through the city would improve if all the traffic lights were switched off and replaced with give way junctions. If this is too radical for our conservative (with a small c) local politicians, why not reset them so they actually respond to traffic flow? One of the newest sets at the cross-roads by the new Medical Centre at the end of Bromyard Road stay red on the main road for an eternity to allow often just one car to come out of the new housing estate! Also, traffic coming out of the city along Bromyard Road is held up by the lack of a right turn lane at the lights by A44 Garage/Chip shop and into Dines Green although these junctions have recently been revamped with enough space for this, but sadly neglected.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more. Why on earth didn't they put a roundabout here (with either Pelican or Zebra crossings near entrance) - as you correctly say, there's plenty of room for this option. It seems to me that the siting of traffic lights in Worcester is often completely counterintuitive and seemingly random. For example, I cannot fathom the thinking behind siting traffic control at the junction of Greenway Drive and Diglis Lane. I can’t believe the volume of traffic passing through this junction anywhere near justifies the expense of six traffic lights. On the other side of the coin, there is surely a good case to be made for traffic control at the extremely busy junction of Hallow Road and Martley Road? Or maybe even at the junction of Henwick Road and Hylton Road? Or how about at the junction of Astwood Road and Bilford Road? (Incidentally, I’m not advocating lights at these junctions, just illustrating my point that these are much busier than some that do have lights). In addition, there are numerous sites around the city (as PEDALBIKER points out at Bromyard Road/Broadway Grove) where there is ample room to install a filter lane, but for some inexplicable reason, they are not implemented. Off the top of my head, we already have a potential filter lane (heading out of the City) at the junction of Tolladine Road and Shrub Hill Road where traffic could be allowed to flow while the right lane is held. Further up Tolladine Road, there is plenty of room to create a filter lane where Tolladine Road branches off into Middle Hollow Drive. One solution to the traffic light problem (again as alluded to by PEDALBIKER) might be to do what they used to do in Birmingham (and may still do so?), where many busy roundabouts and some junctions have traffic lights, but these are only switched on during ‘rush’ hours and other periods of high flow. I often wonder if the Council is genuinely ignorant or unconvinced of the benefits of installing some of these logical, common sense strategies (that would undoubtedly improve traffic flow), or whether this is, as I suspect, a DELIBERATE policy on their behalf to actually increase congestion and bring down the speed of the traffic. I can only assume there must be ‘good’ reasons for this modus operandi on their part. For what it’s worth, here are my three theories: 1. COST. If it’s cost, then I’d love to hear a justification for the complete waste of money that was the introduction of bus lanes in Newtown Road and Bromyard Road. 2. PUBLIC TRANSPORT. It maybe that by making Worcester such an unpleasant place to drive through, they’re attempting to motivate motorists to leave the car at home and use public transport instead. 3. PEDESTRIANS. My final theory is that people are not taught how to cross the road properly anymore. On a daily basis, I see pedestrians wandering aimlessly into and across roads, some preoccupied with talking on their mobiles and taking little notice of the traffic braking and swerving to avoid them. Worse still are young mums, who think all they need do to cross the road anywhere they like is to push a pram or buggy off the kerb to get the traffic to stop. In the current culture of blame and accountability, I can only surmise that by erecting traffic/pedestrian controlled lights everywhere, the Council is alleviating itself of any responsibility should anyone decide to cross elsewhere and get run down. What this City needs is a common sense approach to traffic management, with some semblance of forward planning, else before long we will (quite literally) grind to a complete halt. Chronos
  • Score: 2

4:49pm Sun 8 Jun 14

poontangy says...

Small Town wrote:
poontangy wrote:
3thinker wrote:
There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later.

In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.
Worcestershire may be mostly white British but try to buy or rent a small house in say, the arboretum, and being White British you will almost certainly be in the minority. The problem with houses is at the lower, entry level end, with these bought up at stupid prices and let out out to multiple families living in the same house. The layout of these types of victorian houses means you can easily convert a two bed into a three bed, using the ' living room', which is often seperate.hence a shortage of houses at the lower end of this type. THATS the problem and always has been since buy to let mortgages became available.
Racist Scum.
What has race got to do with it you moron; missing the point as usual. The FACT is that immigrants are more likely to do this than people born and bred here, as people born and bted generally have families. Most economic immigrants ate usually young and dont have their own families. I lived with a pole for many years. Its not racism, its just knowing the facts you muppet
[quote][p][bold]Small Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: There need for extra housing is primarily due to an increase in single person households as a result of people living longer and getting married later. In Worcestershire with a 92% White British population open door immigration certainly can't be blamed although obviously some will want to use this as an excuse to pander to their own particular prejudices.[/p][/quote]Worcestershire may be mostly white British but try to buy or rent a small house in say, the arboretum, and being White British you will almost certainly be in the minority. The problem with houses is at the lower, entry level end, with these bought up at stupid prices and let out out to multiple families living in the same house. The layout of these types of victorian houses means you can easily convert a two bed into a three bed, using the ' living room', which is often seperate.hence a shortage of houses at the lower end of this type. THATS the problem and always has been since buy to let mortgages became available.[/p][/quote]Racist Scum.[/p][/quote]What has race got to do with it you moron; missing the point as usual. The FACT is that immigrants are more likely to do this than people born and bred here, as people born and bted generally have families. Most economic immigrants ate usually young and dont have their own families. I lived with a pole for many years. Its not racism, its just knowing the facts you muppet poontangy
  • Score: 1

9:35am Mon 9 Jun 14

thebleedingobvious says...

...and now no park and ride, inspired.
...and now no park and ride, inspired. thebleedingobvious
  • Score: 2

10:55am Mon 9 Jun 14

Rita Jelfs says...

"Deep North" Worcestershire certainly is from my observations of the bigoted locals. But congestion is the result of too many vehicles trying to access 19th century streets that lack the carrying capacity to deal with the increased traffic. Cutting funding to bus transport and innovative congestion policies, such as park and ride, as well as providing cheap parking in Worcester, results in congestion. This is flawed, Third World transport policy. Congestion will get worse as people move from urban areas to get more affordable housing and better quality of life. But many drivers seem to be too insular to notice.
"Deep North" Worcestershire certainly is from my observations of the bigoted locals. But congestion is the result of too many vehicles trying to access 19th century streets that lack the carrying capacity to deal with the increased traffic. Cutting funding to bus transport and innovative congestion policies, such as park and ride, as well as providing cheap parking in Worcester, results in congestion. This is flawed, Third World transport policy. Congestion will get worse as people move from urban areas to get more affordable housing and better quality of life. But many drivers seem to be too insular to notice. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Marant says...

How about refusing any residential development planning application that doesn't come with an associated local employment land proposal, or provides funds for the development of local employment land sites by the council? The whole southern Worcestershire development plan is currently based on the residential development going around Worcester and the majority of jobs and employment development going up into the Black Country. Whilst people have to travel to the Black Country for work, of course there's going to be more congestion! Sustainable development needs employment land as well as residential land. The town planners need a crash course in sustainable design, or at least a game of SimCity (even that would be better than the current situation!
How about refusing any residential development planning application that doesn't come with an associated local employment land proposal, or provides funds for the development of local employment land sites by the council? The whole southern Worcestershire development plan is currently based on the residential development going around Worcester and the majority of jobs and employment development going up into the Black Country. Whilst people have to travel to the Black Country for work, of course there's going to be more congestion! Sustainable development needs employment land as well as residential land. The town planners need a crash course in sustainable design, or at least a game of SimCity (even that would be better than the current situation! Marant
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Thu 12 Jun 14

worcestersfinest says...

I hate driving in England and through and city or motorway,, especially Worcester!!! Give me a job that doesn't involve any driving but pays well and I'll take it!!!
I hate driving in England and through and city or motorway,, especially Worcester!!! Give me a job that doesn't involve any driving but pays well and I'll take it!!! worcestersfinest
  • Score: 2

11:33am Sat 14 Jun 14

3thinker says...

worcestersfinest wrote:
I hate driving in England and through and city or motorway,, especially Worcester!!! Give me a job that doesn't involve any driving but pays well and I'll take it!!!
It would certainly help if new employment and retail developments were built in locations that were readily accessible by means other than the car. Unfortunately the majority of what's planned for Worcester is on the periphery and all too often are or will be on the other side of dual carriageways with very limited safe crossing points. Add in the massive growth in housing that's planned, cuts to public transport, reduced parking charges and abolition of park and ride its unfortunate that our City and County Council are doing exactly the opposite of what's needed if traffic congestion within the City is to be reduced.
[quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: I hate driving in England and through and city or motorway,, especially Worcester!!! Give me a job that doesn't involve any driving but pays well and I'll take it!!![/p][/quote]It would certainly help if new employment and retail developments were built in locations that were readily accessible by means other than the car. Unfortunately the majority of what's planned for Worcester is on the periphery and all too often are or will be on the other side of dual carriageways with very limited safe crossing points. Add in the massive growth in housing that's planned, cuts to public transport, reduced parking charges and abolition of park and ride its unfortunate that our City and County Council are doing exactly the opposite of what's needed if traffic congestion within the City is to be reduced. 3thinker
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