Talks start over one rubbish collection service for the whole of Worcestershire

Talks start over one rubbish collection service for the whole of Worcestershire

Talks start over one rubbish collection service for the whole of Worcestershire

First published in News Evesham Journal: Tom Edwards Exclusive by , Political Reporter

TENTATIVE talks have got underway to see if one massive rubbish and recycling collection service can be launched for the whole of Worcestershire.

Your Worcester News can reveal how an investigation has now kicked off to see if there is any appetite for cash-strapped councils to team up and pool costs.

At the moment all six district councils have their own vehicles, staff and collection arrangements costing the county's taxpayers more than £10 million.

The idea of pooling costs was first raised by Worcestershire County Council's Liberal Democrat and Green parties back in January, when a motion was overwhelmingly backed calling for a review.

At the start of July a panel of councillors came together to kick it off, and from that a range of visits are now being planned to some of the best-performing town halls in the country, such as Somerset and South Oxfordshire, to see if any ideas are worth taking away.

Because all the districts operate separate pick-ups in Worcestershire it has led to wildly different levels of service - for example people in Malvern get weekly rubbish collections, but in Worcester it is fortnightly.

Recycling rates also vary hugely - it has hit 43 per cent of all household waste in Wychavon, but down the road in Malvern it is just 31 per cent.

Councillor Neil Laurenson, a Green politician at Worcester City Council, said: "Each district council has its own needs and what we're doing at this stage is knocking ideas around to see what might be possible.

"The whole point behind it must be that it saves money - everyone at the first meeting seemed keen to explore it in detail and that's what we'll be doing."

Councillor Ken Pollock, a Tory who represents Tenbury at the county council, is chairing it.

He said: "We are very aware the districts regard waste collection as a principle function, how matter how onerous it is.

"But there could be opportunities to pool costs by making management savings, for example.

"At this point it's about looking at the degree the districts might want to work together."

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9:38pm Sat 26 Jul 14

logicalN says...

So we'll be back to some idiotic urban flatlander trying to enforce a one size suits all solution on the hills and tracks that are totally unsuited to the use of wheeled receptacles of any kind

Progress it aint , back to "the cost of everything and the value of nothing" politics
So we'll be back to some idiotic urban flatlander trying to enforce a one size suits all solution on the hills and tracks that are totally unsuited to the use of wheeled receptacles of any kind Progress it aint , back to "the cost of everything and the value of nothing" politics logicalN
  • Score: -55

11:08pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Hugh Wattmate says...

If it was not broke don't try fix it. Bins are a stupid idea in Malvern. As a dad who takes out the pushchair i cant stress how much of a pain in the **** it is trying to wheel that pushchair down some streets.

The one way streets are the worst as cars are always parked up tight on the path as it is, when you add bins you have to go on the road to get up the roads and duck in when a car comes.. fun with you have a 1 year old baby up front in a pushchair.

It looks horrid aswell even bin bags looked better.
If it was not broke don't try fix it. Bins are a stupid idea in Malvern. As a dad who takes out the pushchair i cant stress how much of a pain in the **** it is trying to wheel that pushchair down some streets. The one way streets are the worst as cars are always parked up tight on the path as it is, when you add bins you have to go on the road to get up the roads and duck in when a car comes.. fun with you have a 1 year old baby up front in a pushchair. It looks horrid aswell even bin bags looked better. Hugh Wattmate
  • Score: -63

10:56am Sun 27 Jul 14

Casmal says...

Just what, exactly, is going on with the scoring here? I find it very hard to believe that at least 31 and 39 people have voted these down, yet not one has added a comment of their own. Is there some political interference here?

And just for good measure, when the Officers and Leadership of MHDC backed Councillors into a corner and got agreement for recycling bins, we were told that this would definitely, absolutely and positively ensure that we would keep our weekly collections. Well, the Council's own investigation proved just how much Councillors had been misled over a number of things. This article suggests that they have been misled over this too. Interesting that it is a Cllr. who represents an MHDC ward who is proposing this. What a coincidence!

Whether you like wheelie bins or not, the real issue is that local people should decide, not officers, not some County people who don't live here and certainly NOT the Govt.

If our elected politicians paid as much attention to their electorate as they do to the Officers, this district would be a much better place. They need to strike a balance. If they had done, MHDC would not be in the mess it is now with regard to planning, neither would it have spent huge amounts of money on recycling bins for very little result. There has been minimum increase in recycling, the service has deteriorated and the costs have increased. Cllrs. were warned that this was not the best or most cost-effective way to get recycling levels up, but they were so single-minded and driven by Officers that they pressed ahead regardless.

I am not against wheelie bins per se. I am against huge sums of my money being wasted and I am against democratic decisions being taken further and further away from the area they affect. The fact that the CC voted overwhelmingly to appeal against MHDC's decision to refuse planning permission for the land surrounding the cube is a perfect example of what happens when the majority of people who are voting do not live in the area they are affecting.
Just what, exactly, is going on with the scoring here? I find it very hard to believe that at least 31 and 39 people have voted these down, yet not one has added a comment of their own. Is there some political interference here? And just for good measure, when the Officers and Leadership of MHDC backed Councillors into a corner and got agreement for recycling bins, we were told that this would definitely, absolutely and positively ensure that we would keep our weekly collections. Well, the Council's own investigation proved just how much Councillors had been misled over a number of things. This article suggests that they have been misled over this too. Interesting that it is a Cllr. who represents an MHDC ward who is proposing this. What a coincidence! Whether you like wheelie bins or not, the real issue is that local people should decide, not officers, not some County people who don't live here and certainly NOT the Govt. If our elected politicians paid as much attention to their electorate as they do to the Officers, this district would be a much better place. They need to strike a balance. If they had done, MHDC would not be in the mess it is now with regard to planning, neither would it have spent huge amounts of money on recycling bins for very little result. There has been minimum increase in recycling, the service has deteriorated and the costs have increased. Cllrs. were warned that this was not the best or most cost-effective way to get recycling levels up, but they were so single-minded and driven by Officers that they pressed ahead regardless. I am not against wheelie bins per se. I am against huge sums of my money being wasted and I am against democratic decisions being taken further and further away from the area they affect. The fact that the CC voted overwhelmingly to appeal against MHDC's decision to refuse planning permission for the land surrounding the cube is a perfect example of what happens when the majority of people who are voting do not live in the area they are affecting. Casmal
  • Score: -11

12:07pm Sun 27 Jul 14

New Kid on the Block says...

I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own.
There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once.
Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour.
Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.
I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own. There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once. Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour. Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement. New Kid on the Block
  • Score: -14

12:17pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Casmal says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own.
There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once.
Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour.
Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.
Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own. There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once. Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour. Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.[/p][/quote]Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though? Casmal
  • Score: -20

4:47pm Sun 27 Jul 14

New Kid on the Block says...

Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own.
There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once.
Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour.
Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.
Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?
I have got 2 wheelie bins.
[quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own. There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once. Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour. Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.[/p][/quote]Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?[/p][/quote]I have got 2 wheelie bins. New Kid on the Block
  • Score: -5

4:50pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Casmal says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own.
There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once.
Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour.
Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.
Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?
I have got 2 wheelie bins.
Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own. There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once. Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour. Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.[/p][/quote]Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?[/p][/quote]I have got 2 wheelie bins.[/p][/quote]Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did. Casmal
  • Score: -18

7:23pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Piccolo says...

I really appreciate the high quality waste collection service I get in MHDC & would be very disappointed if any negotiations like this brought about a reduction of service to 2-weekly general waste collection. Being blessed with 8 grand-children who regularly visit, just how people can be reasonably expected to endure putrid stuff like used nappies for up to 14 days completely escapes me. I realise that wheelie bins - for good practical reasons - don't suit every location & reasonable exceptions should apply in extreme cases, but - by and large -they're surely a good thing? I feel I'm well served by having 2 - by choice - having bought my own big black one from a different council area to solve my problem of black bags being attacked by foxes/cats/etc; & - for us - the green bin is a tremendous step forward. Well done MHDC, but please don't let the others pull you down to their level; rather, please fight to bring the others up.
I really appreciate the high quality waste collection service I get in MHDC & would be very disappointed if any negotiations like this brought about a reduction of service to 2-weekly general waste collection. Being blessed with 8 grand-children who regularly visit, just how people can be reasonably expected to endure putrid stuff like used nappies for up to 14 days completely escapes me. I realise that wheelie bins - for good practical reasons - don't suit every location & reasonable exceptions should apply in extreme cases, but - by and large -they're surely a good thing? I feel I'm well served by having 2 - by choice - having bought my own big black one from a different council area to solve my problem of black bags being attacked by foxes/cats/etc; & - for us - the green bin is a tremendous step forward. Well done MHDC, but please don't let the others pull you down to their level; rather, please fight to bring the others up. Piccolo
  • Score: -9

8:19pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Casmal says...

Piccolo wrote:
I really appreciate the high quality waste collection service I get in MHDC & would be very disappointed if any negotiations like this brought about a reduction of service to 2-weekly general waste collection. Being blessed with 8 grand-children who regularly visit, just how people can be reasonably expected to endure putrid stuff like used nappies for up to 14 days completely escapes me. I realise that wheelie bins - for good practical reasons - don't suit every location & reasonable exceptions should apply in extreme cases, but - by and large -they're surely a good thing? I feel I'm well served by having 2 - by choice - having bought my own big black one from a different council area to solve my problem of black bags being attacked by foxes/cats/etc; & - for us - the green bin is a tremendous step forward. Well done MHDC, but please don't let the others pull you down to their level; rather, please fight to bring the others up.
Errrrm. You seem to be forgetting that MHDC's recycling is 12% lower that Wychavon's. Just who would be pulling whom down? I should be dying to get someone, almost anyone to take over the reigns of MHDC, but I happen to believe that the way to do it is to Improve the management we have, rather than moving it further away.
[quote][p][bold]Piccolo[/bold] wrote: I really appreciate the high quality waste collection service I get in MHDC & would be very disappointed if any negotiations like this brought about a reduction of service to 2-weekly general waste collection. Being blessed with 8 grand-children who regularly visit, just how people can be reasonably expected to endure putrid stuff like used nappies for up to 14 days completely escapes me. I realise that wheelie bins - for good practical reasons - don't suit every location & reasonable exceptions should apply in extreme cases, but - by and large -they're surely a good thing? I feel I'm well served by having 2 - by choice - having bought my own big black one from a different council area to solve my problem of black bags being attacked by foxes/cats/etc; & - for us - the green bin is a tremendous step forward. Well done MHDC, but please don't let the others pull you down to their level; rather, please fight to bring the others up.[/p][/quote]Errrrm. You seem to be forgetting that MHDC's recycling is 12% lower that Wychavon's. Just who would be pulling whom down? I should be dying to get someone, almost anyone to take over the reigns of MHDC, but I happen to believe that the way to do it is to Improve the management we have, rather than moving it further away. Casmal
  • Score: -13

8:20pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Casmal says...

Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own.
There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once.
Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour.
Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.
Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?
I have got 2 wheelie bins.
Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.
Could the two people who gave this a thumbs down explain why, please, 'cos I am at a loss to understand.
[quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own. There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once. Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour. Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.[/p][/quote]Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?[/p][/quote]I have got 2 wheelie bins.[/p][/quote]Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.[/p][/quote]Could the two people who gave this a thumbs down explain why, please, 'cos I am at a loss to understand. Casmal
  • Score: -12

9:02pm Sun 27 Jul 14

3thinker says...

Isn't it amazing why this hash't been done before. Absolutely pointless having individual services for each District when everyone knows its a very capital intensive service which benefits from economies of scale.

Yet another example of why a Unitary Authority for Worcestershire is well overdue. In that way we'd only need one planning service, one leisure service, one housing service etc. Think of all the money saved by bringing services together including a massive cull in terms of senior management costs and also the number of councillors needed.
Isn't it amazing why this hash't been done before. Absolutely pointless having individual services for each District when everyone knows its a very capital intensive service which benefits from economies of scale. Yet another example of why a Unitary Authority for Worcestershire is well overdue. In that way we'd only need one planning service, one leisure service, one housing service etc. Think of all the money saved by bringing services together including a massive cull in terms of senior management costs and also the number of councillors needed. 3thinker
  • Score: -1

1:08am Mon 28 Jul 14

mauro balbino says...

Rubbish!
Rubbish! mauro balbino
  • Score: -3

8:23am Mon 28 Jul 14

george blewanwhite says...

Casmal wrote:
Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own.
There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once.
Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour.
Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.
Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?
I have got 2 wheelie bins.
Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.
Could the two people who gave this a thumbs down explain why, please, 'cos I am at a loss to understand.
I gave a thumbs down due to the incorrect use of the apostrophe preceding though.
Given the opportunity I would have given it a second thumbs down for your use of the texting slang word cos, again with the unnecessary use of an apostrophe.
[quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own. There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once. Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour. Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.[/p][/quote]Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?[/p][/quote]I have got 2 wheelie bins.[/p][/quote]Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.[/p][/quote]Could the two people who gave this a thumbs down explain why, please, 'cos I am at a loss to understand.[/p][/quote]I gave a thumbs down due to the incorrect use of the apostrophe preceding though. Given the opportunity I would have given it a second thumbs down for your use of the texting slang word cos, again with the unnecessary use of an apostrophe. george blewanwhite
  • Score: 8

8:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

Jabbadad says...

I would sugest that the biggest cost in waste collection is the actual collection, with the lorries being very expensive to buy, run, crew and maintain.
Having worked in and around Malvern there definately are some areas where to get a wheelie bin in and out of the properties is near impossible. So if the Bin Men are to undertake this additional work, will the householders pay more or are all counncil tax payers expected to contribute? Having a weekly colection is quite a bonus on it's own. We who have fortnightly collections have bigger problems with smells, rats etc.
However we just have to have an enforced if needed, recycling, before this world sinks under it's mountains of man-made rubbish. So who needs more pays more , quite simple really. (Poll Tax ooh here we go)
I would sugest that the biggest cost in waste collection is the actual collection, with the lorries being very expensive to buy, run, crew and maintain. Having worked in and around Malvern there definately are some areas where to get a wheelie bin in and out of the properties is near impossible. So if the Bin Men are to undertake this additional work, will the householders pay more or are all counncil tax payers expected to contribute? Having a weekly colection is quite a bonus on it's own. We who have fortnightly collections have bigger problems with smells, rats etc. However we just have to have an enforced if needed, recycling, before this world sinks under it's mountains of man-made rubbish. So who needs more pays more , quite simple really. (Poll Tax ooh here we go) Jabbadad
  • Score: 1

9:27am Mon 28 Jul 14

Perfman says...

Jabbadad wrote:
I would sugest that the biggest cost in waste collection is the actual collection, with the lorries being very expensive to buy, run, crew and maintain.
Having worked in and around Malvern there definately are some areas where to get a wheelie bin in and out of the properties is near impossible. So if the Bin Men are to undertake this additional work, will the householders pay more or are all counncil tax payers expected to contribute? Having a weekly colection is quite a bonus on it's own. We who have fortnightly collections have bigger problems with smells, rats etc.
However we just have to have an enforced if needed, recycling, before this world sinks under it's mountains of man-made rubbish. So who needs more pays more , quite simple really. (Poll Tax ooh here we go)
"We who have fortnightly collections have bigger problems with smells, rats etc. "

Only if you're unable to manage your rubbish correctly. Having smells and rats around suggests you can't!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I would sugest that the biggest cost in waste collection is the actual collection, with the lorries being very expensive to buy, run, crew and maintain. Having worked in and around Malvern there definately are some areas where to get a wheelie bin in and out of the properties is near impossible. So if the Bin Men are to undertake this additional work, will the householders pay more or are all counncil tax payers expected to contribute? Having a weekly colection is quite a bonus on it's own. We who have fortnightly collections have bigger problems with smells, rats etc. However we just have to have an enforced if needed, recycling, before this world sinks under it's mountains of man-made rubbish. So who needs more pays more , quite simple really. (Poll Tax ooh here we go)[/p][/quote]"We who have fortnightly collections have bigger problems with smells, rats etc. " Only if you're unable to manage your rubbish correctly. Having smells and rats around suggests you can't! Perfman
  • Score: 7

9:28am Mon 28 Jul 14

TheLoudBloke says...

As we've nearly all now been given wheelie bins, the councils could move to single man operation of rubbish & recycling collection. This could alsobe extended to garden waste if they also adopted wheelie bins for that.
Single man operation is used in many places in Europe without any problems. It could mean increased collections for some areas, with retrainjng of staff to take on the driving role.
As we've nearly all now been given wheelie bins, the councils could move to single man operation of rubbish & recycling collection. This could alsobe extended to garden waste if they also adopted wheelie bins for that. Single man operation is used in many places in Europe without any problems. It could mean increased collections for some areas, with retrainjng of staff to take on the driving role. TheLoudBloke
  • Score: 0

9:43am Mon 28 Jul 14

Jabbadad says...

Perfman, we do have a considerable rat problem in Worcester, but obviously not you.
So it's the rest of us , okay.
Please try to have a sensible debate not sniping like a little girl.
Perfman, we do have a considerable rat problem in Worcester, but obviously not you. So it's the rest of us , okay. Please try to have a sensible debate not sniping like a little girl. Jabbadad
  • Score: -4

9:44am Mon 28 Jul 14

Casmal says...

george blewanwhite wrote:
Casmal wrote:
Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own.
There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once.
Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour.
Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.
Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?
I have got 2 wheelie bins.
Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.
Could the two people who gave this a thumbs down explain why, please, 'cos I am at a loss to understand.
I gave a thumbs down due to the incorrect use of the apostrophe preceding though.
Given the opportunity I would have given it a second thumbs down for your use of the texting slang word cos, again with the unnecessary use of an apostrophe.
Thank you for at least explaining why you gave a thumbs down. That's helpful. As I tend to give a thumbs up or down according to the views expressed, I could not understand why anyone could object to a comment that did not express any. I see now from your comments in other fora that you take a keen interest on the subject of grammar.

The school I went to, which was a good school and hot on grammar, taught me that 'though is short for although and therefore the missing letters are replaced by an apostrophe. I accept that this has largely fallen out of use, but that does not make it wrong.

As for 'cos, similar grammar rules apply, despite it being a slang word. I am sorry if slang words upset you, but this being an informal forum, they are generally acceptable.

However, we are getting off the point of the article.
[quote][p][bold]george blewanwhite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own. There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once. Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour. Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.[/p][/quote]Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?[/p][/quote]I have got 2 wheelie bins.[/p][/quote]Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.[/p][/quote]Could the two people who gave this a thumbs down explain why, please, 'cos I am at a loss to understand.[/p][/quote]I gave a thumbs down due to the incorrect use of the apostrophe preceding though. Given the opportunity I would have given it a second thumbs down for your use of the texting slang word cos, again with the unnecessary use of an apostrophe.[/p][/quote]Thank you for at least explaining why you gave a thumbs down. That's helpful. As I tend to give a thumbs up or down according to the views expressed, I could not understand why anyone could object to a comment that did not express any. I see now from your comments in other fora that you take a keen interest on the subject of grammar. The school I went to, which was a good school and hot on grammar, taught me that 'though is short for although and therefore the missing letters are replaced by an apostrophe. I accept that this has largely fallen out of use, but that does not make it wrong. As for 'cos, similar grammar rules apply, despite it being a slang word. I am sorry if slang words upset you, but this being an informal forum, they are generally acceptable. However, we are getting off the point of the article. Casmal
  • Score: 1

10:27am Mon 28 Jul 14

george blewanwhite says...

As although would be incorrect.

As Councillors Laurenson and Pollock state in the article, it is about saving money.

It is ridiculous to have three different local authorities responsible for rubbish collections each with its own layer of management, fleet of vehicles and associated costs.

Fortnightly collection service works well in most parts of the country, but if residents in certain areas want to pay extra for weekly collections the service could be provided at an extra cost to the householders.

A more worrying statistic is the low recycling rate in Malvern despite having weekly collections.
Maybe there is a logical reason for this anomaly.
As although would be incorrect. As Councillors Laurenson and Pollock state in the article, it is about saving money. It is ridiculous to have three different local authorities responsible for rubbish collections each with its own layer of management, fleet of vehicles and associated costs. Fortnightly collection service works well in most parts of the country, but if residents in certain areas want to pay extra for weekly collections the service could be provided at an extra cost to the householders. A more worrying statistic is the low recycling rate in Malvern despite having weekly collections. Maybe there is a logical reason for this anomaly. george blewanwhite
  • Score: 1

10:58am Mon 28 Jul 14

Casmal says...

I would agree that fortnightly collections work well in many parts of the country, particularly where there is a food recycling service as well. I would also agree that Malvern's recycling rate is appalling. Some residents and councillors pointed out that a better way of increasing recycling would be to have food collections, but one officer in particular and the Council Leaders pressed to have wheeled bins instead. The survey they undertook with carefully selected parts of the district did not give residents that choice. Its thrust was do you want wheeled bins or fortnightly collections or keep your weekly collections and pay more Council tax. Hence they got the answer they were looking for and which enabled them to grab the govt. grant.

As a result, recycling that used to be put into "bring banks" is now put in the wheelie bins. More convenient for us residents, but that does not constitute an increase in recycling. They also started to recycle street sweepings, which would have added to the percentage anyway. So the gain from an expenditure of £1.64m was very low! Interestingly it also tied us in to weekly refuse collections for five years, so MHDC could not join a County wide service for around three years!

As for those who want WCC to run everything they should look at the contract they have with Envirosort. It is very expensive and is a win-win for Envirosort, as I understand they are paid to take the recycling, as well, of course as being paid by the companies who use the recycled materials.

So, in Malvern we have the worst of both worlds, Officers and Leaders who set their minds on one course of action and pursue it regardless and a County Council who have tied us in to a bad contract.

So, before rushing into another course of action, our political leaders should look at all the alternatives for saving money.
I would agree that fortnightly collections work well in many parts of the country, particularly where there is a food recycling service as well. I would also agree that Malvern's recycling rate is appalling. Some residents and councillors pointed out that a better way of increasing recycling would be to have food collections, but one officer in particular and the Council Leaders pressed to have wheeled bins instead. The survey they undertook with carefully selected parts of the district did not give residents that choice. Its thrust was do you want wheeled bins or fortnightly collections or keep your weekly collections and pay more Council tax. Hence they got the answer they were looking for and which enabled them to grab the govt. grant. As a result, recycling that used to be put into "bring banks" is now put in the wheelie bins. More convenient for us residents, but that does not constitute an increase in recycling. They also started to recycle street sweepings, which would have added to the percentage anyway. So the gain from an expenditure of £1.64m was very low! Interestingly it also tied us in to weekly refuse collections for five years, so MHDC could not join a County wide service for around three years! As for those who want WCC to run everything they should look at the contract they have with Envirosort. It is very expensive and is a win-win for Envirosort, as I understand they are paid to take the recycling, as well, of course as being paid by the companies who use the recycled materials. So, in Malvern we have the worst of both worlds, Officers and Leaders who set their minds on one course of action and pursue it regardless and a County Council who have tied us in to a bad contract. So, before rushing into another course of action, our political leaders should look at all the alternatives for saving money. Casmal
  • Score: 4

2:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

New Kid on the Block says...

Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
Casmal wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own.
There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once.
Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour.
Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.
Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?
I have got 2 wheelie bins.
Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.
To go back to a slightly earlier point in this thread.
No I don't live in Malvern any more. I lived there for 30 years and still visit regularly so I do know the area, and feel that I am as well qualified to comment as most others.
As I say living in Worcester I have two wheelie bins which are no problem. They work better for me than bags would. I have experience of bags as my Father used to live in Malvern where he obviously used them.

In reply to the comments from Jabbadad the Bin Men will not get step off the pavement to get a bin so the argument about increased costs due to extra work doesn't really apply. Any property where the bin cannot be got to the edge of the pavement should be allowed to remain on bags.
No matter how well you manage your waste two week old fish heads will smell at this time of year.
I have had problems with Rats, I think they were disturbed by nearby landscaping work in another Garden and were looking for a new home. They soon found one in my trap, problem solved.
[quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casmal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: I agree with Casmal it is odd how all these people have voted comments down without seemingly having an opinion of their own. There is no reason why there should not be talks about could a bigger service save money, as long as the different needs of different areas are considered. Even Neil Laurenson appears to be talking sense for once. Wheelie bins won't work in some parts of Malvern but there are also a lot of flatter ares in Malvern where they would work. Having tried them I wouldn't want to return to bags. If those people for whom they wouldn't work are given an opt out I think many people would be in favour. Perhaps the problems faced by Hugh Wattmate could be best addressed by stopping car drivers from obstructing the pavement.[/p][/quote]Would you really want two wheelie bins, (refuse and recycling) 'though?[/p][/quote]I have got 2 wheelie bins.[/p][/quote]Ah, so you don't live in Malvern then? Sorry, it sounded as 'though you did.[/p][/quote]To go back to a slightly earlier point in this thread. No I don't live in Malvern any more. I lived there for 30 years and still visit regularly so I do know the area, and feel that I am as well qualified to comment as most others. As I say living in Worcester I have two wheelie bins which are no problem. They work better for me than bags would. I have experience of bags as my Father used to live in Malvern where he obviously used them. In reply to the comments from Jabbadad the Bin Men will not get step off the pavement to get a bin so the argument about increased costs due to extra work doesn't really apply. Any property where the bin cannot be got to the edge of the pavement should be allowed to remain on bags. No matter how well you manage your waste two week old fish heads will smell at this time of year. I have had problems with Rats, I think they were disturbed by nearby landscaping work in another Garden and were looking for a new home. They soon found one in my trap, problem solved. New Kid on the Block
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

old misery says...

I live in the Wychavon area and their service is excellent they collect regularly even bank holidays (except at Christmas) there could be savings at admin level but to maintain the current service you will still need the same vehicles and men for collections as for saving councillors dont hold your breath.
I live in the Wychavon area and their service is excellent they collect regularly even bank holidays (except at Christmas) there could be savings at admin level but to maintain the current service you will still need the same vehicles and men for collections as for saving councillors dont hold your breath. old misery
  • Score: 1

3:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

MJI says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Perfman, we do have a considerable rat problem in Worcester, but obviously not you.
So it's the rest of us , okay.
Please try to have a sensible debate not sniping like a little girl.
The rats are not getting food out of wheelie bins, but I reckon they are living on fast food litter, and garden pet food (eg rabbits)
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Perfman, we do have a considerable rat problem in Worcester, but obviously not you. So it's the rest of us , okay. Please try to have a sensible debate not sniping like a little girl.[/p][/quote]The rats are not getting food out of wheelie bins, but I reckon they are living on fast food litter, and garden pet food (eg rabbits) MJI
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Jabbadad says...

I think we would find that with Fortnightly collections, many households with a higher occupancy cannot get all their rubbish into the black bins supplied, and there have been several articles in this paper showing and discussing the problems when some black Bins are having to be left outside the bins.
I understand that you can get an extra Green Bin, since of course that is encouraging recycling, but not additional Black Bins.
And if you want to know about the problems with the rat population ask the Bin Men they will tell you, and of course quite recently there was an article in the Worcester News wherebye a rat Catcher was saying about the increase in the Rat population.
There was a local Rat Catcher employed by the Council, but this service which on public health grounds used to be provided free was stppoed by the then Tory council and is it no suprise that the rat polulation has increased.
I think we would find that with Fortnightly collections, many households with a higher occupancy cannot get all their rubbish into the black bins supplied, and there have been several articles in this paper showing and discussing the problems when some black Bins are having to be left outside the bins. I understand that you can get an extra Green Bin, since of course that is encouraging recycling, but not additional Black Bins. And if you want to know about the problems with the rat population ask the Bin Men they will tell you, and of course quite recently there was an article in the Worcester News wherebye a rat Catcher was saying about the increase in the Rat population. There was a local Rat Catcher employed by the Council, but this service which on public health grounds used to be provided free was stppoed by the then Tory council and is it no suprise that the rat polulation has increased. Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Jabbadad says...

If you want to know about the problems with the rat population ask the Bin Men they will tell you, and of course quite recently there was an article in the Worcester News wherebye a self employed rat Catcher was quoting the increase in the Rat population.
Some time back there was a local Rat Catcher employed by the Council, but this service which on public health grounds used to be provided free was stopped by the then Tory council and perhaps it is no suprise that the rat polulation has increased.
I think we would find that with Fortnightly collections, many households with a higher occupancy cannot get all their rubbish into the black bins supplied, and there have been several articles in this paper showing and discussing the problems when some black Bags are having to be left outside the bins.
I understand that you can get an extra Green Bin, since of course that is encouraging recycling, but not additional Black Bins.
I also recal articles in this paper and which I actually saw in the following mornings, when the late night diners at the take aways on Blackpole, after eating and even though there were some waste bins provided, were just leaving their bags with unfinished food and containers on the carparks and driving away. And when we know that there is always a rat polpulation by Canals and other water it was a problem. Initially MacDonalds refuted the comments that it was their responability to clean up after closing, and the food waste was left overnight, so providing an all night diner for the rats and Gulls.
It has been proven that the population numbers of both Rats and Gulls are linked to the amount of food available to them.
I agree with all the postings who say that we humans who leave waste food around are the problem as much as the Rat & Gull population
If you want to know about the problems with the rat population ask the Bin Men they will tell you, and of course quite recently there was an article in the Worcester News wherebye a self employed rat Catcher was quoting the increase in the Rat population. Some time back there was a local Rat Catcher employed by the Council, but this service which on public health grounds used to be provided free was stopped by the then Tory council and perhaps it is no suprise that the rat polulation has increased. I think we would find that with Fortnightly collections, many households with a higher occupancy cannot get all their rubbish into the black bins supplied, and there have been several articles in this paper showing and discussing the problems when some black Bags are having to be left outside the bins. I understand that you can get an extra Green Bin, since of course that is encouraging recycling, but not additional Black Bins. I also recal articles in this paper and which I actually saw in the following mornings, when the late night diners at the take aways on Blackpole, after eating and even though there were some waste bins provided, were just leaving their bags with unfinished food and containers on the carparks and driving away. And when we know that there is always a rat polpulation by Canals and other water it was a problem. Initially MacDonalds refuted the comments that it was their responability to clean up after closing, and the food waste was left overnight, so providing an all night diner for the rats and Gulls. It has been proven that the population numbers of both Rats and Gulls are linked to the amount of food available to them. I agree with all the postings who say that we humans who leave waste food around are the problem as much as the Rat & Gull population Jabbadad
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

liketoknow says...

can't help feeling the best form of recycling is to eat the food instead of throwing it in the bin.
can't help feeling the best form of recycling is to eat the food instead of throwing it in the bin. liketoknow
  • Score: 5

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