Travellers invade three different sites off Hylton Road, Worcester

Travellers invade three different sites off Hylton Road, Worcester

Traveller's caravans parked over disabled bays

One of two holes that have appeared in the car park fence in Worcester over the weekend

A caravan at the service road near the Sabrina Motors garage at the back of the Worcester News office

First published in News Evesham Journal: Photograph of the Author by

TRAVELLERS have invaded private land in Worcester and two holes have been hacked in a metal mesh fence to create a cut-through between the caravans.

Caravans, cars and a camper van arrived at three different locations off Hylton Road - the University of Worcester's Riverside pay and display car park, a private car park at the back of ETB and a service road at the back of the Worcester News. They arrived on Friday at about 9.30pm.

The top of a barrier was removed at the car park at the back of ETB and two holes have appeared in the fence. The holes create a cut-through between three areas off Hylton Road where the caravans and camper vans are parked. Across all three sites there are four caravans, a camper van and several cars, one of which was blocking the service road near Sabrina Motor Services today.

Children could be seen passing between the holes made in the fences and others were playing on scooters.

One woman, who declined to be named, said: "I saw a little girl just pull her pants down and do her business."

A camper van and two caravans are parked in the pay and display car park at the back of the Riverside. A university official had closed the barriers at the Hylton Road entrance to the Arena and the Riverside to stop anymore travellers getting on the site. On the university land one of the caravans and a camper van had been parked partially over disabled bays. The car park sign warns that failing to display a valid permit will result in a £60 fine, reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days.

The university land was also invaded by travellers in July and police officers were on duty at the entrance to the Worcester Arena.

A traveller on the site said the group would be leaving tomorrow and denied removing the top of the barrier to gain entry.

He said: "Someone told us they would weld us in. We will be going tomorrow evening, I promise you. I know it's not nice. We don't want to cause any problems. Don't take pictures of the caravans. We have enemies."

A University of Worcester spokesperson said: "All University of Worcester sites are open as usual. The university is working alongside the authorities to resolve this matter.”

There will be more updates when we have them.

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12:05pm Mon 11 Aug 14

mrloverman says...

Here we go.......
Here we go....... mrloverman
  • Score: 7

12:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

DAVID1875 says...

And no doubt once again West Mercia Police will be neglecting their duty by failing to use their powers under sections 61 and 62 of the Public Order Act which makes this criminal trespass. Wait for the quote from a police spokesperson along the lines of " we are monitoring the situation..."
And no doubt once again West Mercia Police will be neglecting their duty by failing to use their powers under sections 61 and 62 of the Public Order Act which makes this criminal trespass. Wait for the quote from a police spokesperson along the lines of " we are monitoring the situation..." DAVID1875
  • Score: 43

12:45pm Mon 11 Aug 14

MJI says...

Encourage boy racers to use the car park after midnight, drive out the invaders.

Or a mobile disco.

Let drunk students pee all over the vans.

Or a large amount of anyone annoying.

They will then go.
Encourage boy racers to use the car park after midnight, drive out the invaders. Or a mobile disco. Let drunk students pee all over the vans. Or a large amount of anyone annoying. They will then go. MJI
  • Score: 25

12:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

wr5resident2 says...

We never hear that these people have been charged with criminal damage and have paid a fine. Why is that?
We never hear that these people have been charged with criminal damage and have paid a fine. Why is that? wr5resident2
  • Score: 57

2:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

mucklow hill resident says...

weld them in and make them pay £1000 each, every person, caravan, van to leave, and make them take their muck with them.
weld them in and make them pay £1000 each, every person, caravan, van to leave, and make them take their muck with them. mucklow hill resident
  • Score: 37

3:14pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dave cus says...

" we are monitoring the situation..." and we will let them ago as usual....
" we are monitoring the situation..." and we will let them ago as usual.... dave cus
  • Score: 42

4:19pm Mon 11 Aug 14

19joshua87 says...

Time for a wrecking ball
Time for a wrecking ball 19joshua87
  • Score: 20

6:09pm Mon 11 Aug 14

redtail says...

Traveller's caravans parked over disabled bays ,,,, not the only one's doing that
Traveller's caravans parked over disabled bays ,,,, not the only one's doing that redtail
  • Score: -1

8:07pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Small Town says...

One woman, who declined to be named, said: "I saw a little girl just pull her pants down and do her business."

Surely that's indecent exposure!?

Other than that I can't really see that they've caused anyone any harm or inconvenience whatsoever, why all the over the top reaction to a handful of parking violations?
One woman, who declined to be named, said: "I saw a little girl just pull her pants down and do her business." Surely that's indecent exposure!? Other than that I can't really see that they've caused anyone any harm or inconvenience whatsoever, why all the over the top reaction to a handful of parking violations? Small Town
  • Score: -34

8:51pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Small Town says...

"Two holes have been hacked in a metal mesh fence to create a cut-through between the caravans."

Wooooah there a minute!

Our WN is claiming that this hole in the fence has been recently cut to offer passage between the vehicles! If anyone bothers to look at the photo of said hole, rather than just accept the apparent bigoted views of the publication, it's clear from the grass in front of it, devoid of any green shoots unlike that just alongside it, that this hole has been used as a cut through bu the local yoof for a longtime.

Shame on you Worcester News. SHAME ON YOU.
"Two holes have been hacked in a metal mesh fence to create a cut-through between the caravans." Wooooah there a minute! Our WN is claiming that this hole in the fence has been recently cut to offer passage between the vehicles! If anyone bothers to look at the photo of said hole, rather than just accept the apparent bigoted views of the publication, it's clear from the grass in front of it, devoid of any green shoots unlike that just alongside it, that this hole has been used as a cut through bu the local yoof for a longtime. Shame on you Worcester News. SHAME ON YOU. Small Town
  • Score: 3

10:13pm Mon 11 Aug 14

worcestersfinest says...

The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??
The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point?? worcestersfinest
  • Score: 10

12:04am Tue 12 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

Yep weld them in, then fine them big time and if they don't pay impound their vans lorries and cars.
Yep weld them in, then fine them big time and if they don't pay impound their vans lorries and cars. Jabbadad
  • Score: 21

9:31am Tue 12 Aug 14

RichE76 says...

"Don't take pictures of the caravans, the real owners might see them...."
"Don't take pictures of the caravans, the real owners might see them...." RichE76
  • Score: 16

11:31am Tue 12 Aug 14

DAVID1875 says...

worcestersfinest, West Mercia Police are not powerless, they have more than sufficient powers under sections 61 and 62; but West Mercia do NOT use them. They pass the buck to landowners and expect them to use the courts ( at expense and time ) process. Shame on West Mercia Police!
worcestersfinest, West Mercia Police are not powerless, they have more than sufficient powers under sections 61 and 62; but West Mercia do NOT use them. They pass the buck to landowners and expect them to use the courts ( at expense and time ) process. Shame on West Mercia Police! DAVID1875
  • Score: 14

12:03pm Tue 12 Aug 14

MJI says...

Just go in, tow the caravans off and drop them off at the Police station
Just go in, tow the caravans off and drop them off at the Police station MJI
  • Score: 8

12:09pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

Nice one RichE76 and probably very truthful since even if things are screwed down they take them. farmers are really suffering with thefts of deisel,
And a farmer friend of mine was warned that after three or more thefts when they cut off the large security padlocks from their deisel tanks and he started leaving the dogs out, that he would be prosecuted if anyone were bitten, since the dogs would be classed as unchained dogs running loose.
There was a good programme on the telly where farmers were saying that for years as they had finished a particular job, they had left farm machinery in their fields until they were needed again, and recently there had been more and more thefts of heavy metal parts. Was it a coincidence that there were travellers in the area, well perhaps not so by the supporters of the travelling community who are nothing like the Romany's who used to come to work and not to Trespass / Damage or steal and leave disgusting human waste behind.
Nice one RichE76 and probably very truthful since even if things are screwed down they take them. farmers are really suffering with thefts of deisel, And a farmer friend of mine was warned that after three or more thefts when they cut off the large security padlocks from their deisel tanks and he started leaving the dogs out, that he would be prosecuted if anyone were bitten, since the dogs would be classed as unchained dogs running loose. There was a good programme on the telly where farmers were saying that for years as they had finished a particular job, they had left farm machinery in their fields until they were needed again, and recently there had been more and more thefts of heavy metal parts. Was it a coincidence that there were travellers in the area, well perhaps not so by the supporters of the travelling community who are nothing like the Romany's who used to come to work and not to Trespass / Damage or steal and leave disgusting human waste behind. Jabbadad
  • Score: 13

12:13pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Europeanist64 says...

I must at the outset declare a personal Traveller heritage. My ancestors were Traveller crop-pickers and metal repair workers. These situations happen because there are just not enough sites for Travellers. The John Major government passed legislation which took away the obligation for local councils to provide Traveller sites. Some councils closed their site provision, others cut down. In Wyre Forest (Kidderminster) the council has worked hard to increase pitch and site provision, for 30 caravans I think, over the next 2 years. This has alleviated such conflicts. The County and City councils need to show some vision and expand site and pitch provision.

Sadly, I expect this column to be soon full of racist comments and stereotypes and the usual pejorative names and language reflecting a society that doesn't have the will or basic intelligence to deal with diversity.
I must at the outset declare a personal Traveller heritage. My ancestors were Traveller crop-pickers and metal repair workers. These situations happen because there are just not enough sites for Travellers. The John Major government passed legislation which took away the obligation for local councils to provide Traveller sites. Some councils closed their site provision, others cut down. In Wyre Forest (Kidderminster) the council has worked hard to increase pitch and site provision, for 30 caravans I think, over the next 2 years. This has alleviated such conflicts. The County and City councils need to show some vision and expand site and pitch provision. Sadly, I expect this column to be soon full of racist comments and stereotypes and the usual pejorative names and language reflecting a society that doesn't have the will or basic intelligence to deal with diversity. Europeanist64
  • Score: -16

12:20pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Europeanist64 says...

worcestersfinest wrote:
The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??
Trespass, if it has occurred, is a civil law matter, not a criminal offence. The police have no jurisdiction. What is your objection to the Travellers?
[quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??[/p][/quote]Trespass, if it has occurred, is a civil law matter, not a criminal offence. The police have no jurisdiction. What is your objection to the Travellers? Europeanist64
  • Score: -10

1:17pm Tue 12 Aug 14

DAVID1875 says...

Europeanist64, Civil trespass becomes criminal trespass when there are 2 or more people and 6 or more vehicles, and the owner has asked the trespassers to leave. That triggers sections 61 and 62 of the Public Order Act , giving police powers to take action for criminal trespass.
Europeanist64, Civil trespass becomes criminal trespass when there are 2 or more people and 6 or more vehicles, and the owner has asked the trespassers to leave. That triggers sections 61 and 62 of the Public Order Act , giving police powers to take action for criminal trespass. DAVID1875
  • Score: 13

1:20pm Tue 12 Aug 14

worcestersfinest says...

Europeanist64 wrote:
worcestersfinest wrote:
The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??
Trespass, if it has occurred, is a civil law matter, not a criminal offence. The police have no jurisdiction. What is your objection to the Travellers?
My objection is that these travellers will be staying there free of charge, nobody particularly wants them there, they generally create unrest, noise, litter etc.

Are you trying to say that you're in support of their stay?

Are you a traveller yourself?
[quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??[/p][/quote]Trespass, if it has occurred, is a civil law matter, not a criminal offence. The police have no jurisdiction. What is your objection to the Travellers?[/p][/quote]My objection is that these travellers will be staying there free of charge, nobody particularly wants them there, they generally create unrest, noise, litter etc. Are you trying to say that you're in support of their stay? Are you a traveller yourself? worcestersfinest
  • Score: 10

1:52pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pinkfluff says...

worcestersfinest wrote:
Europeanist64 wrote:
worcestersfinest wrote:
The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??
Trespass, if it has occurred, is a civil law matter, not a criminal offence. The police have no jurisdiction. What is your objection to the Travellers?
My objection is that these travellers will be staying there free of charge, nobody particularly wants them there, they generally create unrest, noise, litter etc.

Are you trying to say that you're in support of their stay?

Are you a traveller yourself?
Lol....genius! Try reading comments as they do contain information worcestersfinest.

I'm with you on this one Europeanist64. British folk are becoming more and more selfish imo and have NO tolerance for anyone who doesn't live up to their "standards". Horrible.

Give travellers more planning permission!!
[quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??[/p][/quote]Trespass, if it has occurred, is a civil law matter, not a criminal offence. The police have no jurisdiction. What is your objection to the Travellers?[/p][/quote]My objection is that these travellers will be staying there free of charge, nobody particularly wants them there, they generally create unrest, noise, litter etc. Are you trying to say that you're in support of their stay? Are you a traveller yourself?[/p][/quote]Lol....genius! Try reading comments as they do contain information worcestersfinest. I'm with you on this one Europeanist64. British folk are becoming more and more selfish imo and have NO tolerance for anyone who doesn't live up to their "standards". Horrible. Give travellers more planning permission!! pinkfluff
  • Score: -23

2:06pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Europeanist64 says...

In reply to questions above, I am not a Traveller but my grandfather was the son of Irish Traveller crop pickers, his life (including war service) took him away from his family and their culture, but he kept social connections with established traveller families, We had a big shock at his funeral in 1975 when many Travellers turned up to pay their respects.

Don''t all groups create noise and littler? Try visiting the city centre or parts of St. John's on Saturday night. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but isn't confined to Travellers.

Worcestersfinest, which groups then are "wanted" and which are "unwanted" what measure do you use for this?
In reply to questions above, I am not a Traveller but my grandfather was the son of Irish Traveller crop pickers, his life (including war service) took him away from his family and their culture, but he kept social connections with established traveller families, We had a big shock at his funeral in 1975 when many Travellers turned up to pay their respects. Don''t all groups create noise and littler? Try visiting the city centre or parts of St. John's on Saturday night. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but isn't confined to Travellers. Worcestersfinest, which groups then are "wanted" and which are "unwanted" what measure do you use for this? Europeanist64
  • Score: -5

3:08pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

Maybe those who cause noise in St Johns or the City Centre although a big nuisance are more than likely paid up members of the society they live in and don't expect to invade other peoples land and take other peoples property as those who call themselves Travellers and pay nothing in but also expect to Use the Health Facilities & Schools etc, and in return leave their filth behind for others to clean up. Those reasons just might have some reason why folk complain.
Come and live among us by all means but please expect tp play by the same rules as the majority.
Maybe those who cause noise in St Johns or the City Centre although a big nuisance are more than likely paid up members of the society they live in and don't expect to invade other peoples land and take other peoples property as those who call themselves Travellers and pay nothing in but also expect to Use the Health Facilities & Schools etc, and in return leave their filth behind for others to clean up. Those reasons just might have some reason why folk complain. Come and live among us by all means but please expect tp play by the same rules as the majority. Jabbadad
  • Score: 14

4:17pm Tue 12 Aug 14

worcestersfinest says...

Europeanist64 wrote:
In reply to questions above, I am not a Traveller but my grandfather was the son of Irish Traveller crop pickers, his life (including war service) took him away from his family and their culture, but he kept social connections with established traveller families, We had a big shock at his funeral in 1975 when many Travellers turned up to pay their respects.

Don''t all groups create noise and littler? Try visiting the city centre or parts of St. John's on Saturday night. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but isn't confined to Travellers.

Worcestersfinest, which groups then are "wanted" and which are "unwanted" what measure do you use for this?
I don't understand your genius comments above?? I read your other post and you didn't say yourself whether you were a traveller or not, thanks for now confirming.

British people are selfish? Really?? Give me one good reason why we should 'accept' this into our communitity!

It's not about who's wanted and who's unwanted, what's that supposed to mean?

Anyone who commits crime are generally a nuisance, some are willing to change, some are not....
[quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: In reply to questions above, I am not a Traveller but my grandfather was the son of Irish Traveller crop pickers, his life (including war service) took him away from his family and their culture, but he kept social connections with established traveller families, We had a big shock at his funeral in 1975 when many Travellers turned up to pay their respects. Don''t all groups create noise and littler? Try visiting the city centre or parts of St. John's on Saturday night. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but isn't confined to Travellers. Worcestersfinest, which groups then are "wanted" and which are "unwanted" what measure do you use for this?[/p][/quote]I don't understand your genius comments above?? I read your other post and you didn't say yourself whether you were a traveller or not, thanks for now confirming. British people are selfish? Really?? Give me one good reason why we should 'accept' this into our communitity! It's not about who's wanted and who's unwanted, what's that supposed to mean? Anyone who commits crime are generally a nuisance, some are willing to change, some are not.... worcestersfinest
  • Score: 8

4:37pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Europeanist64 says...

worcestersfinest wrote:
Europeanist64 wrote:
In reply to questions above, I am not a Traveller but my grandfather was the son of Irish Traveller crop pickers, his life (including war service) took him away from his family and their culture, but he kept social connections with established traveller families, We had a big shock at his funeral in 1975 when many Travellers turned up to pay their respects.

Don''t all groups create noise and littler? Try visiting the city centre or parts of St. John's on Saturday night. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but isn't confined to Travellers.

Worcestersfinest, which groups then are "wanted" and which are "unwanted" what measure do you use for this?
I don't understand your genius comments above?? I read your other post and you didn't say yourself whether you were a traveller or not, thanks for now confirming.

British people are selfish? Really?? Give me one good reason why we should 'accept' this into our communitity!

It's not about who's wanted and who's unwanted, what's that supposed to mean?

Anyone who commits crime are generally a nuisance, some are willing to change, some are not....
I never said British people were selfish. No we shouldn't accept crime in our communities.

What crimes have these Travellers in Hylton committed exactly apart from offending you by their presence.

The Travellers on the Hylton Road sites don't want to be there, anymore than you want them there. These incidents happen because the Travellers have nowhere to go.
[quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: In reply to questions above, I am not a Traveller but my grandfather was the son of Irish Traveller crop pickers, his life (including war service) took him away from his family and their culture, but he kept social connections with established traveller families, We had a big shock at his funeral in 1975 when many Travellers turned up to pay their respects. Don''t all groups create noise and littler? Try visiting the city centre or parts of St. John's on Saturday night. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but isn't confined to Travellers. Worcestersfinest, which groups then are "wanted" and which are "unwanted" what measure do you use for this?[/p][/quote]I don't understand your genius comments above?? I read your other post and you didn't say yourself whether you were a traveller or not, thanks for now confirming. British people are selfish? Really?? Give me one good reason why we should 'accept' this into our communitity! It's not about who's wanted and who's unwanted, what's that supposed to mean? Anyone who commits crime are generally a nuisance, some are willing to change, some are not....[/p][/quote]I never said British people were selfish. No we shouldn't accept crime in our communities. What crimes have these Travellers in Hylton committed exactly apart from offending you by their presence. The Travellers on the Hylton Road sites don't want to be there, anymore than you want them there. These incidents happen because the Travellers have nowhere to go. Europeanist64
  • Score: -14

4:43pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Europeanist64 says...

James (reporter), why are you trying to attribute, by implication, the damage to the fences to the Travellers?

Why do you use repeatedly the term "invaded" as if Travellers were aliens or a military force? Wouldn't the words "occupied" or "camping" be more appropriate, realistic and responsible?

You also use attributeduotes, really poor journalism.

Are you just trying to create a far-right resentment reaction, out of a small incident because these people have nowhere to go.
James (reporter), why are you trying to attribute, by implication, the damage to the fences to the Travellers? Why do you use repeatedly the term "invaded" as if Travellers were aliens or a military force? Wouldn't the words "occupied" or "camping" be more appropriate, realistic and responsible? You also use attributeduotes, really poor journalism. Are you just trying to create a far-right resentment reaction, out of a small incident because these people have nowhere to go. Europeanist64
  • Score: -14

4:43pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Tobster says...

To everyone saying 'weld them in':

That won't work.

In order to weld them in, there will be metal involved; and all metal within half a mile of these people is going to spontaneously disappear over the next few days!
To everyone saying 'weld them in': That won't work. In order to weld them in, there will be metal involved; and all metal within half a mile of these people is going to spontaneously disappear over the next few days! Tobster
  • Score: 19

5:19pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Europeanist64 says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Maybe those who cause noise in St Johns or the City Centre although a big nuisance are more than likely paid up members of the society they live in and don't expect to invade other peoples land and take other peoples property as those who call themselves Travellers and pay nothing in but also expect to Use the Health Facilities & Schools etc, and in return leave their filth behind for others to clean up. Those reasons just might have some reason why folk complain.
Come and live among us by all means but please expect tp play by the same rules as the majority.
Jabbadad, Travellers pay 20% VAT on their purchases like everyone else. They pay taxes on their vehicles, like everyone else. Most Travellers do not have incomes that reach the tax and NI thresholds. Where council sites and pitches exist, they have to pay rents. So, they are entitled to use public services.

They cannot operate businesses such as metal re-cycling without licences.

If there is nowhere to go, then there are no refuse facilities for their rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Maybe those who cause noise in St Johns or the City Centre although a big nuisance are more than likely paid up members of the society they live in and don't expect to invade other peoples land and take other peoples property as those who call themselves Travellers and pay nothing in but also expect to Use the Health Facilities & Schools etc, and in return leave their filth behind for others to clean up. Those reasons just might have some reason why folk complain. Come and live among us by all means but please expect tp play by the same rules as the majority.[/p][/quote]Jabbadad, Travellers pay 20% VAT on their purchases like everyone else. They pay taxes on their vehicles, like everyone else. Most Travellers do not have incomes that reach the tax and NI thresholds. Where council sites and pitches exist, they have to pay rents. So, they are entitled to use public services. They cannot operate businesses such as metal re-cycling without licences. If there is nowhere to go, then there are no refuse facilities for their rubbish. Europeanist64
  • Score: -11

5:48pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pinkfluff says...

worcestersfinest wrote:
Europeanist64 wrote:
In reply to questions above, I am not a Traveller but my grandfather was the son of Irish Traveller crop pickers, his life (including war service) took him away from his family and their culture, but he kept social connections with established traveller families, We had a big shock at his funeral in 1975 when many Travellers turned up to pay their respects.

Don''t all groups create noise and littler? Try visiting the city centre or parts of St. John's on Saturday night. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but isn't confined to Travellers.

Worcestersfinest, which groups then are "wanted" and which are "unwanted" what measure do you use for this?
I don't understand your genius comments above?? I read your other post and you didn't say yourself whether you were a traveller or not, thanks for now confirming.

British people are selfish? Really?? Give me one good reason why we should 'accept' this into our communitity!

It's not about who's wanted and who's unwanted, what's that supposed to mean?

Anyone who commits crime are generally a nuisance, some are willing to change, some are not....
LOL you are not even reading what you are writing now :-)


"nobody particularly wants them there" ring any bells?

I have lots of personal anecdotes about British people being intolerant and selfish.......very petty too!
[quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: In reply to questions above, I am not a Traveller but my grandfather was the son of Irish Traveller crop pickers, his life (including war service) took him away from his family and their culture, but he kept social connections with established traveller families, We had a big shock at his funeral in 1975 when many Travellers turned up to pay their respects. Don''t all groups create noise and littler? Try visiting the city centre or parts of St. John's on Saturday night. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but isn't confined to Travellers. Worcestersfinest, which groups then are "wanted" and which are "unwanted" what measure do you use for this?[/p][/quote]I don't understand your genius comments above?? I read your other post and you didn't say yourself whether you were a traveller or not, thanks for now confirming. British people are selfish? Really?? Give me one good reason why we should 'accept' this into our communitity! It's not about who's wanted and who's unwanted, what's that supposed to mean? Anyone who commits crime are generally a nuisance, some are willing to change, some are not....[/p][/quote]LOL you are not even reading what you are writing now :-) "nobody particularly wants them there" ring any bells? I have lots of personal anecdotes about British people being intolerant and selfish.......very petty too! pinkfluff
  • Score: -10

5:52pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

The most rubbish spoken on here is from Europeanist. Everybody else has to dispose of their rubbish and excrement but not some who leave it behind because they don't give a fig. And while I am sure that a minority are taxpayerson purchases in some way that is about the only way they are, and we all have to pay taxes on purchases so no medals there. what they don't pay is income tax and perhaps questions should be asked as to how the can pay for those beautiful caravans some £20,000 plus and expensive cars to pull them along . Do get real .
The most rubbish spoken on here is from Europeanist. Everybody else has to dispose of their rubbish and excrement but not some who leave it behind because they don't give a fig. And while I am sure that a minority are taxpayerson purchases in some way that is about the only way they are, and we all have to pay taxes on purchases so no medals there. what they don't pay is income tax and perhaps questions should be asked as to how the can pay for those beautiful caravans some £20,000 plus and expensive cars to pull them along . Do get real . Jabbadad
  • Score: 11

6:54pm Tue 12 Aug 14

worcestersfinest says...

Jabbadad wrote:
The most rubbish spoken on here is from Europeanist. Everybody else has to dispose of their rubbish and excrement but not some who leave it behind because they don't give a fig. And while I am sure that a minority are taxpayerson purchases in some way that is about the only way they are, and we all have to pay taxes on purchases so no medals there. what they don't pay is income tax and perhaps questions should be asked as to how the can pay for those beautiful caravans some £20,000 plus and expensive cars to pull them along . Do get real .
Correct. Travellers earn less than the income threshold yet some of them afford those caravans, luxurious 4x4s etc.

General people who earn less than the income threshold cannot afford such items!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: The most rubbish spoken on here is from Europeanist. Everybody else has to dispose of their rubbish and excrement but not some who leave it behind because they don't give a fig. And while I am sure that a minority are taxpayerson purchases in some way that is about the only way they are, and we all have to pay taxes on purchases so no medals there. what they don't pay is income tax and perhaps questions should be asked as to how the can pay for those beautiful caravans some £20,000 plus and expensive cars to pull them along . Do get real .[/p][/quote]Correct. Travellers earn less than the income threshold yet some of them afford those caravans, luxurious 4x4s etc. General people who earn less than the income threshold cannot afford such items! worcestersfinest
  • Score: 8

7:55pm Tue 12 Aug 14

JackBarley says...

Europeanist64 wrote:
I must at the outset declare a personal Traveller heritage. My ancestors were Traveller crop-pickers and metal repair workers. These situations happen because there are just not enough sites for Travellers. The John Major government passed legislation which took away the obligation for local councils to provide Traveller sites. Some councils closed their site provision, others cut down. In Wyre Forest (Kidderminster) the council has worked hard to increase pitch and site provision, for 30 caravans I think, over the next 2 years. This has alleviated such conflicts. The County and City councils need to show some vision and expand site and pitch provision.

Sadly, I expect this column to be soon full of racist comments and stereotypes and the usual pejorative names and language reflecting a society that doesn't have the will or basic intelligence to deal with diversity.
Why should I pay tax to provide sites for mostly Irish Travellers? Should they not be provided with in Ireland?
[quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: I must at the outset declare a personal Traveller heritage. My ancestors were Traveller crop-pickers and metal repair workers. These situations happen because there are just not enough sites for Travellers. The John Major government passed legislation which took away the obligation for local councils to provide Traveller sites. Some councils closed their site provision, others cut down. In Wyre Forest (Kidderminster) the council has worked hard to increase pitch and site provision, for 30 caravans I think, over the next 2 years. This has alleviated such conflicts. The County and City councils need to show some vision and expand site and pitch provision. Sadly, I expect this column to be soon full of racist comments and stereotypes and the usual pejorative names and language reflecting a society that doesn't have the will or basic intelligence to deal with diversity.[/p][/quote]Why should I pay tax to provide sites for mostly Irish Travellers? Should they not be provided with in Ireland? JackBarley
  • Score: 7

8:34pm Tue 12 Aug 14

LottieJ says...

The University claimed their sites were open as normal however they closed the Oldbury Rd entrance for 4 days which meant disruption to the bus service and no explanation in bus shelter as to fact there would be no buses passing that way! It's supposed to be a public bus service but goes through the campus to suit the Uni. How can the Uni think it's ok to shut a public bus route for 4 days, it's madness
The University claimed their sites were open as normal however they closed the Oldbury Rd entrance for 4 days which meant disruption to the bus service and no explanation in bus shelter as to fact there would be no buses passing that way! It's supposed to be a public bus service but goes through the campus to suit the Uni. How can the Uni think it's ok to shut a public bus route for 4 days, it's madness LottieJ
  • Score: 3

8:40pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mucklow hill resident says...

Travelers may pay tax on food and stuff but I bet they don't pay road tax or insurance and probably nip round the local area to 'acquire' fuel for their motors. Why should we provide sites for these people when they don't pay their way and leave utter filth and destruction behind them that lawful taxpayers have to foot the bill for to clean and decontaminate the sites that they leave or are evicted from
Travelers may pay tax on food and stuff but I bet they don't pay road tax or insurance and probably nip round the local area to 'acquire' fuel for their motors. Why should we provide sites for these people when they don't pay their way and leave utter filth and destruction behind them that lawful taxpayers have to foot the bill for to clean and decontaminate the sites that they leave or are evicted from mucklow hill resident
  • Score: 7

9:06pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Europeanist64 says...

Mucklow Hill Resident: Travellers HAVE to pay Road Duty and have Car Insurance, otherwise they would get constantly arrested! No-one is above the law

By paying: 20% VAT, Fuel Duty, Road Fund Duty, MOT Fees, TV Licences and other taxes, they DO make a contribution and pay their way. They provide casual labour and re-cycling. So, how can "you bet" they don't pay for their road tax and insurance?

Settled people (non-Travellers) don't have to provide anything from their taxes. All that is needed is for councils to provide more permission for sites and pitches, and the sites are self-financing.

Irish Traveller is an ethnicity, NOT a nationality. In terms of nationality, they are as British as you and me. Irish Travellers fought for your freedom and mine in WWII. Check out the story of Christy Joyce for example.

Why do people hate what they don't understand? The rubbish etc and the squatting happens because of nowhere to go. If there are not enough sites and pitches, then this will continue.
Mucklow Hill Resident: Travellers HAVE to pay Road Duty and have Car Insurance, otherwise they would get constantly arrested! No-one is above the law By paying: 20% VAT, Fuel Duty, Road Fund Duty, MOT Fees, TV Licences and other taxes, they DO make a contribution and pay their way. They provide casual labour and re-cycling. So, how can "you bet" they don't pay for their road tax and insurance? Settled people (non-Travellers) don't have to provide anything from their taxes. All that is needed is for councils to provide more permission for sites and pitches, and the sites are self-financing. Irish Traveller is an ethnicity, NOT a nationality. In terms of nationality, they are as British as you and me. Irish Travellers fought for your freedom and mine in WWII. Check out the story of Christy Joyce for example. Why do people hate what they don't understand? The rubbish etc and the squatting happens because of nowhere to go. If there are not enough sites and pitches, then this will continue. Europeanist64
  • Score: -3

9:31pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Small Town says...

Jabbadad wrote:
The most rubbish spoken on here is from Europeanist. Everybody else has to dispose of their rubbish and excrement but not some who leave it behind because they don't give a fig. And while I am sure that a minority are taxpayerson purchases in some way that is about the only way they are, and we all have to pay taxes on purchases so no medals there. what they don't pay is income tax and perhaps questions should be asked as to how the can pay for those beautiful caravans some £20,000 plus and expensive cars to pull them along . Do get real .
"Perhaps questions should be asked as to how the (sic) can pay for those beautiful caravans some £20,000 plus"

- WTF?!

I've got 15+ friends under the age of 30 who own houses and flats worth upwards of some £120,000 each. So for senior members of travelling families to have £20,000 'properties' to their name, well it's hardly the lifestyle of a flipping lottery winner is it!?

Get a life of your own and live it, stop sticking your stout in to those of others.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: The most rubbish spoken on here is from Europeanist. Everybody else has to dispose of their rubbish and excrement but not some who leave it behind because they don't give a fig. And while I am sure that a minority are taxpayerson purchases in some way that is about the only way they are, and we all have to pay taxes on purchases so no medals there. what they don't pay is income tax and perhaps questions should be asked as to how the can pay for those beautiful caravans some £20,000 plus and expensive cars to pull them along . Do get real .[/p][/quote]"Perhaps questions should be asked as to how the (sic) can pay for those beautiful caravans some £20,000 plus" - WTF?! I've got 15+ friends under the age of 30 who own houses and flats worth upwards of some £120,000 each. So for senior members of travelling families to have £20,000 'properties' to their name, well it's hardly the lifestyle of a flipping lottery winner is it!? Get a life of your own and live it, stop sticking your stout in to those of others. Small Town
  • Score: -14

11:33pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

Same applys to you Small town. You would find that if your knowledge allowed you to look outside of Worcester that the majority of these irish Travellers live in very nice Houses in Ireland costing many times more than your friends flats etc.
However what they don't do is to pay their share when they are earning or robbing the people while they are over here. And they do leave their c--p behind for others to clear up.
If that is okay by you please forward your Name & Addres to the Councills concerned saying that you are willing to clean up behind these people and do it for free Perhaps the other supporters will help you. Since people like me object to paying towards the filth removal they leave each time they camp, be it on a sports field, or public carpark, or the roadside verges where they also hang their personel filth in the hedgerows.
Same applys to you Small town. You would find that if your knowledge allowed you to look outside of Worcester that the majority of these irish Travellers live in very nice Houses in Ireland costing many times more than your friends flats etc. However what they don't do is to pay their share when they are earning or robbing the people while they are over here. And they do leave their c--p behind for others to clear up. If that is okay by you please forward your Name & Addres to the Councills concerned saying that you are willing to clean up behind these people and do it for free Perhaps the other supporters will help you. Since people like me object to paying towards the filth removal they leave each time they camp, be it on a sports field, or public carpark, or the roadside verges where they also hang their personel filth in the hedgerows. Jabbadad
  • Score: 11

7:12am Wed 13 Aug 14

green49 says...

Jabbadad says...

Same applys to you Small town. You would find that if your knowledge allowed you to look outside of Worcester that the majority of these irish Travellers live in very nice Houses in Ireland costing many times more than your friends flats etc.
However what they don't do is to pay their share when they are earning or robbing the people while they are over here. And they do leave their c--p behind for others to clear up.
If that is okay by you please forward your Name & Addres to the Councills concerned saying that you are willing to clean up behind these people and do it for free Perhaps the other supporters will help you. Since people like me object to paying towards the filth removal they leave each time they camp, be it on a sports field, or public carpark, or the roadside verges where they also hang their personel filth in the hedgerows.

Toyally agree with you Jababdad,

I have had this problem on my land SO I PERSONALLY INVITE ANYONE WHO HAS SYMPATHY WITH THESE SCUM, TO COME AND CLEAN UP AFTER THEM AND PAY FOR THE WHOLE AREA TO BE SANITISED, the filth you would not believe till you have to do it, and the land owners who have to pay it costs a lot of money and time, The Police and Council are useless, as i said before when this was posted , time to get the JCB out and shift them, the owner has the legal right to remove from the property anyone or thing that has caused criminal damage and they did it the minute they cut the fence and removed the barriers.
Jabbadad says... Same applys to you Small town. You would find that if your knowledge allowed you to look outside of Worcester that the majority of these irish Travellers live in very nice Houses in Ireland costing many times more than your friends flats etc. However what they don't do is to pay their share when they are earning or robbing the people while they are over here. And they do leave their c--p behind for others to clear up. If that is okay by you please forward your Name & Addres to the Councills concerned saying that you are willing to clean up behind these people and do it for free Perhaps the other supporters will help you. Since people like me object to paying towards the filth removal they leave each time they camp, be it on a sports field, or public carpark, or the roadside verges where they also hang their personel filth in the hedgerows. Toyally agree with you Jababdad, I have had this problem on my land SO I PERSONALLY INVITE ANYONE WHO HAS SYMPATHY WITH THESE SCUM, TO COME AND CLEAN UP AFTER THEM AND PAY FOR THE WHOLE AREA TO BE SANITISED, the filth you would not believe till you have to do it, and the land owners who have to pay it costs a lot of money and time, The Police and Council are useless, as i said before when this was posted , time to get the JCB out and shift them, the owner has the legal right to remove from the property anyone or thing that has caused criminal damage and they did it the minute they cut the fence and removed the barriers. green49
  • Score: 11

1:13pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DAVID1875 says...

Europeanist64 asks what crimes the travellers have committed. It is obvious and has previously been pointed out - criminal trespass.
Europeanist64 asks what crimes the travellers have committed. It is obvious and has previously been pointed out - criminal trespass. DAVID1875
  • Score: 3

5:31pm Wed 13 Aug 14

CYNIC_AL says...

Is anyone surprised that the plod have done nothing? They're only following the rules set by their pay-masters. Don't upset the minorities incase they play the race card - even though living in a caravan and having an Irish accent doesn't make you a different race from other white people as far as I'm aware. It doesn't matter if they're illegally camped on private land, have caused criminal damage or are being a nuisance. The plod will just turn a blind eye and tell everyone concerned we're 'monitoring the situation.' Mind how you go...
Is anyone surprised that the plod have done nothing? They're only following the rules set by their pay-masters. Don't upset the minorities incase they play the race card - even though living in a caravan and having an Irish accent doesn't make you a different race from other white people as far as I'm aware. It doesn't matter if they're illegally camped on private land, have caused criminal damage or are being a nuisance. The plod will just turn a blind eye and tell everyone concerned we're 'monitoring the situation.' Mind how you go... CYNIC_AL
  • Score: 4

6:01pm Wed 13 Aug 14

didley123 says...

If you were to park on the same place and start to empty your car boot full of rubbish onto the car park plod would be all over you and if you resisted or spoke back they would arrest you for affray. Seems that racism has been reversed engineered against the hard working, decent tax paying citizen. We are the ones who should be afraid... Riding around in a caravan, leaving mess and filth everywhere and trespassing seems to be a perfectly honorable trait as far as the police are concerned!
If you were to park on the same place and start to empty your car boot full of rubbish onto the car park plod would be all over you and if you resisted or spoke back they would arrest you for affray. Seems that racism has been reversed engineered against the hard working, decent tax paying citizen. We are the ones who should be afraid... Riding around in a caravan, leaving mess and filth everywhere and trespassing seems to be a perfectly honorable trait as far as the police are concerned! didley123
  • Score: 5

6:11pm Wed 13 Aug 14

pinkfluff says...

They have moved now, bit of an overnight stay really and no real inconvenience for anyone imo. No mess has been left behind either.
They have moved now, bit of an overnight stay really and no real inconvenience for anyone imo. No mess has been left behind either. pinkfluff
  • Score: -1

7:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

reflector says...

didley123 wrote:
If you were to park on the same place and start to empty your car boot full of rubbish onto the car park plod would be all over you and if you resisted or spoke back they would arrest you for affray. Seems that racism has been reversed engineered against the hard working, decent tax paying citizen. We are the ones who should be afraid... Riding around in a caravan, leaving mess and filth everywhere and trespassing seems to be a perfectly honorable trait as far as the police are concerned!
Spot on there, Didley. All that most of us are asking is that they should be treated exactly the same as the rest of us. That involves them observing the same laws and paying the same penalties should they fail to do so. That's not being racist, travellerphobic or anything else - it's just being fair.
[quote][p][bold]didley123[/bold] wrote: If you were to park on the same place and start to empty your car boot full of rubbish onto the car park plod would be all over you and if you resisted or spoke back they would arrest you for affray. Seems that racism has been reversed engineered against the hard working, decent tax paying citizen. We are the ones who should be afraid... Riding around in a caravan, leaving mess and filth everywhere and trespassing seems to be a perfectly honorable trait as far as the police are concerned![/p][/quote]Spot on there, Didley. All that most of us are asking is that they should be treated exactly the same as the rest of us. That involves them observing the same laws and paying the same penalties should they fail to do so. That's not being racist, travellerphobic or anything else - it's just being fair. reflector
  • Score: 6

8:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Chronos says...

Reading through this thread (and through many others on this site), it's pretty obvious to me that the words "race", "racist" and "racism" have become virtually meaningless these days.

Rather lazily (though often deliberately), the various forms of the root word are employed when there are much more accurate nouns or adjectives available.

A person's race is increasingly being confused with their nationality, ethnicity, and even their religion. At its simplest, race is something you can't change, the most oft used example being the colour of your skin.

As I've alluded to above, the so-called "race card" now seems to be played by, and on behalf of, any minority who believe they have been victimised or discriminated against.

To our eternal shame, 'racism' - a once powerful and uncompromisingly emotive word has been overused incorrectly and inappropriately to such an extent that it has now come to mean little more than the perceived giving or receiving of 'offense'. Even worse, many situations where 'racism' is alleged actually boil down to little more than a difference of opinion.
Reading through this thread (and through many others on this site), it's pretty obvious to me that the words "race", "racist" and "racism" have become virtually meaningless these days. Rather lazily (though often deliberately), the various forms of the root word are employed when there are much more accurate nouns or adjectives available. A person's race is increasingly being confused with their nationality, ethnicity, and even their religion. At its simplest, race is something you can't change, the most oft used example being the colour of your skin. As I've alluded to above, the so-called "race card" now seems to be played by, and on behalf of, any minority who believe they have been victimised or discriminated against. To our eternal shame, 'racism' - a once powerful and uncompromisingly emotive word has been overused incorrectly and inappropriately to such an extent that it has now come to mean little more than the perceived giving or receiving of 'offense'. Even worse, many situations where 'racism' is alleged actually boil down to little more than a difference of opinion. Chronos
  • Score: 6

3:24pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ACBLive says...

There is a very simple solution to this - it's what the Southern Ireland government did a few years ago - they passed a law making all traveller encampments on private land illegal unless permission is given in writing by the owners of the land. Currently enforcement is left to land owners to obtain a court order for eviction. The Police view the legislation (as it stands) as being from the dark ages, eviction involves mental harm to women and children and in a compassionate society is unnecessary. A change in the law would send travellers scurrying off to mainland Europe. Southern Ireland exported the problem to us, we should do the same!!!
There is a very simple solution to this - it's what the Southern Ireland government did a few years ago - they passed a law making all traveller encampments on private land illegal unless permission is given in writing by the owners of the land. Currently enforcement is left to land owners to obtain a court order for eviction. The Police view the legislation (as it stands) as being from the dark ages, eviction involves mental harm to women and children and in a compassionate society is unnecessary. A change in the law would send travellers scurrying off to mainland Europe. Southern Ireland exported the problem to us, we should do the same!!! ACBLive
  • Score: 7

4:05pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

Compassion for the women & kids eh, you will find that the kids are lawless and also think that anything they can pick up is theirs, and the women are as tough as many a man (including me) and they also leave their personal filth behind.
So as I and many others have said if they came and lived and worked in peace and took all their rubbish with them and the kids were educated, BUT not in preference to the other local kids who have their names on the waiting list, (and Yes they do jump the queue) then all would be well. But they don't do they.
Anyway their gone and all is okay until the next lot who are probably on their way, arrive.
Compassion for the women & kids eh, you will find that the kids are lawless and also think that anything they can pick up is theirs, and the women are as tough as many a man (including me) and they also leave their personal filth behind. So as I and many others have said if they came and lived and worked in peace and took all their rubbish with them and the kids were educated, BUT not in preference to the other local kids who have their names on the waiting list, (and Yes they do jump the queue) then all would be well. But they don't do they. Anyway their gone and all is okay until the next lot who are probably on their way, arrive. Jabbadad
  • Score: 5

5:18pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ACBLive says...

The Police believe that the legislation is draconian - making encampments on private land illegal in law but for permission by the land owner would change this constant problem!!!
The Police believe that the legislation is draconian - making encampments on private land illegal in law but for permission by the land owner would change this constant problem!!! ACBLive
  • Score: 0

11:15am Fri 15 Aug 14

bebopdebob says...

Europeanist64 wrote:
I must at the outset declare a personal Traveller heritage. My ancestors were Traveller crop-pickers and metal repair workers. These situations happen because there are just not enough sites for Travellers. The John Major government passed legislation which took away the obligation for local councils to provide Traveller sites. Some councils closed their site provision, others cut down. In Wyre Forest (Kidderminster) the council has worked hard to increase pitch and site provision, for 30 caravans I think, over the next 2 years. This has alleviated such conflicts. The County and City councils need to show some vision and expand site and pitch provision.

Sadly, I expect this column to be soon full of racist comments and stereotypes and the usual pejorative names and language reflecting a society that doesn't have the will or basic intelligence to deal with diversity.
Europeanist64.
Please don't use the racist card here. Race or diversity has nothing to do with it. The publics dislike of travellers stems from the fact that wherever they go a mini crime wave and piles of filth and rubbish seems to follow in their wake. I've suffered from having travellers appearing close to my premises in the past and witnessed the pilfering carried out by them a number of times but even with good evidence and witnesses the police will not enter a travellers site and make arrests.
The travellers pay nothing towards the economy, they pay no council taxes and they leave piles of filth and detritus behind for the council and the tax payer to cover the cost of clearing up. Sometimes direct action is the only way to get rid of them.
[quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: I must at the outset declare a personal Traveller heritage. My ancestors were Traveller crop-pickers and metal repair workers. These situations happen because there are just not enough sites for Travellers. The John Major government passed legislation which took away the obligation for local councils to provide Traveller sites. Some councils closed their site provision, others cut down. In Wyre Forest (Kidderminster) the council has worked hard to increase pitch and site provision, for 30 caravans I think, over the next 2 years. This has alleviated such conflicts. The County and City councils need to show some vision and expand site and pitch provision. Sadly, I expect this column to be soon full of racist comments and stereotypes and the usual pejorative names and language reflecting a society that doesn't have the will or basic intelligence to deal with diversity.[/p][/quote]Europeanist64. Please don't use the racist card here. Race or diversity has nothing to do with it. The publics dislike of travellers stems from the fact that wherever they go a mini crime wave and piles of filth and rubbish seems to follow in their wake. I've suffered from having travellers appearing close to my premises in the past and witnessed the pilfering carried out by them a number of times but even with good evidence and witnesses the police will not enter a travellers site and make arrests. The travellers pay nothing towards the economy, they pay no council taxes and they leave piles of filth and detritus behind for the council and the tax payer to cover the cost of clearing up. Sometimes direct action is the only way to get rid of them. bebopdebob
  • Score: 1

5:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

sunnside says...

pinkfluff wrote:
worcestersfinest wrote:
Europeanist64 wrote:
worcestersfinest wrote:
The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??
Trespass, if it has occurred, is a civil law matter, not a criminal offence. The police have no jurisdiction. What is your objection to the Travellers?
My objection is that these travellers will be staying there free of charge, nobody particularly wants them there, they generally create unrest, noise, litter etc.

Are you trying to say that you're in support of their stay?

Are you a traveller yourself?
Lol....genius! Try reading comments as they do contain information worcestersfinest.

I'm with you on this one Europeanist64. British folk are becoming more and more selfish imo and have NO tolerance for anyone who doesn't live up to their "standards". Horrible.

Give travellers more planning permission!!
you dont need to give them permission they just help them selves to other peoples land foul it and then move on and guess what its rent free
[quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worcestersfinest[/bold] wrote: The police should be able to go in with force and physically drive them out, unfortunately they are powerless though so what's the point??[/p][/quote]Trespass, if it has occurred, is a civil law matter, not a criminal offence. The police have no jurisdiction. What is your objection to the Travellers?[/p][/quote]My objection is that these travellers will be staying there free of charge, nobody particularly wants them there, they generally create unrest, noise, litter etc. Are you trying to say that you're in support of their stay? Are you a traveller yourself?[/p][/quote]Lol....genius! Try reading comments as they do contain information worcestersfinest. I'm with you on this one Europeanist64. British folk are becoming more and more selfish imo and have NO tolerance for anyone who doesn't live up to their "standards". Horrible. Give travellers more planning permission!![/p][/quote]you dont need to give them permission they just help them selves to other peoples land foul it and then move on and guess what its rent free sunnside
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Fri 15 Aug 14

sunnside says...

JackBarley wrote:
Europeanist64 wrote:
I must at the outset declare a personal Traveller heritage. My ancestors were Traveller crop-pickers and metal repair workers. These situations happen because there are just not enough sites for Travellers. The John Major government passed legislation which took away the obligation for local councils to provide Traveller sites. Some councils closed their site provision, others cut down. In Wyre Forest (Kidderminster) the council has worked hard to increase pitch and site provision, for 30 caravans I think, over the next 2 years. This has alleviated such conflicts. The County and City councils need to show some vision and expand site and pitch provision.

Sadly, I expect this column to be soon full of racist comments and stereotypes and the usual pejorative names and language reflecting a society that doesn't have the will or basic intelligence to deal with diversity.
Why should I pay tax to provide sites for mostly Irish Travellers? Should they not be provided with in Ireland?
the Irish don't want them that's why their here
[quote][p][bold]JackBarley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: I must at the outset declare a personal Traveller heritage. My ancestors were Traveller crop-pickers and metal repair workers. These situations happen because there are just not enough sites for Travellers. The John Major government passed legislation which took away the obligation for local councils to provide Traveller sites. Some councils closed their site provision, others cut down. In Wyre Forest (Kidderminster) the council has worked hard to increase pitch and site provision, for 30 caravans I think, over the next 2 years. This has alleviated such conflicts. The County and City councils need to show some vision and expand site and pitch provision. Sadly, I expect this column to be soon full of racist comments and stereotypes and the usual pejorative names and language reflecting a society that doesn't have the will or basic intelligence to deal with diversity.[/p][/quote]Why should I pay tax to provide sites for mostly Irish Travellers? Should they not be provided with in Ireland?[/p][/quote]the Irish don't want them that's why their here sunnside
  • Score: 2

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