Worcester cyclists need own "Boris" to give cycling a boost

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Worcester cyclists need own "Boris" to give cycling a boost

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CYCLING campaigners from Worcester need a colourful champion "like Boris Johnson" to fight their corner as they seek to persuade people to ditch four wheels for two.

Campaigner Gerry Taggart of Powick, near Worcester, who has taken part in the Hero Ride to raise money for wounded soldiers says the city needs a figurehead like the Mayor of London to be a cycling ambassador.

Retired lieutenant colonel Mr Taggart, Lyndon Bracewell, Elizabeth Pearson and Mike Cooper want to raise the profile of cycling as part of a drive called "Pushbike!" which works with local cycling clubs in Worcester, Malvern, Droitwich, Evesham and Pershore to improve cycle facilities and encourage more people to enjoy the benefits of riding a bike (www.pushbikecampaign.org/).

Their mission is also to build on the surge in popularity following the Tour de France which showcased the wilds of Yorkshire to the world and

the Tour of Britain which will start a stage in Worcester on September 10.

Mr Taggart said there was a 'lack of a clear joined-up mission' by city and county to improve things for cyclists although they say £4.5 million has been spent in the last five years on improving facilities for cyclists.

Mr Taggart said: "We read constantly in your paper that Worcester people's biggest gripe is congestion and from the public health aspect, obesity (through lack of exercise) and poor air quality are proving unhealthy.

"We cyclists (and walkers) see a less than perfect joining together between city and county (councils). The proposed cancellation of the excellent Park and Ride and the encouragement of city centre parking is a really sad spectacle, which will simply add to congestion, obesity and pollution. And now we read that congestion is one of the main challenges being faced by the city centre development plans. The only talk is about cars; not sustainable transport.

"Our vision is to see a Boris-like champion for cycling in Worcester. While we're not suggesting that the Mayor or the leader ride bikes everywhere, we would really love to see one of them leading the advance towards more cycling and less cars in the city of Worcester and the county. We would dearly love to see a senior local politician or business leader championing the cause.

"We have been given a beautiful new bridge at Diglis. Let's use that as a beacon to push ahead with more foot and pedal traffic using our spectacular riverside and its connections."

Cllr John Smith OBE, county council cabinet member for highways, said: "We fully recognise the importance of promoting cycling as a sustainable alternative to single-car use and are as committed as ever to doing just that, working with all of our partners, including Worcester City Council.

"Over the last five years more than £4.5million has been spent on improving infrastructure for cyclists and walkers as part of the successful Connect2 project, the flagship of which is the hugely popular Diglis Bridge. A number of other schemes have taken place across the city to improve signage, safety and links for cyclists. This will continue with planned works on Worcester's riverside, between Portland Walk and Navigation Road, along with improvements to the Cotswold Way orbital cycle way.

"We're also delighted to be working with the Worcestershire LEP and our district partners, including Worcester City Council, to bring the elite Tour of Britain race back to Worcestershire on September 10."

Cllr David Wilkinson, cabinet member for safer and stronger communities at the city council, said: “The city council is committed to promoting health and wellbeing for Worcester residents. When possible, we look for opportunities to better cater for cyclists, in co-operation with Worcestershire County Council as highways authority.”

Other work by the county includes the production of a popular walking and cycling map for Worcester, the promotion of cycling in schools, giving advice on safety, clothing and repairs, training cyclists to carry out basic repairs and loan of bikes to those considering taking up cycling and working with the Worcestershire LEP and partners to bring the Tour of Britain back to Worcestershire in September.

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5:45pm Mon 21 Jul 14

CJH says...

We don't need Boris. We have our own buffoons thank you.
We don't need Boris. We have our own buffoons thank you. CJH
  • Score: 18

10:06pm Mon 21 Jul 14

New Kid on the Block says...

A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.
A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire. New Kid on the Block
  • Score: -7

10:42pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Hugh Wattmate says...

Make sure those who do take it up think about taking some insurance up also and know what a bike path and traffic light is. Oh and the dangers of drafting cars and bus's.
Make sure those who do take it up think about taking some insurance up also and know what a bike path and traffic light is. Oh and the dangers of drafting cars and bus's. Hugh Wattmate
  • Score: 2

10:42pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Froggybelle says...

There have been massive improvements to cycle ways in Worcester but the main block to people ditching their cars is safe access by bike direct into the very heart of the city centre. Coming from the Tything there is a bus & cycle lane, which suddenly ends in front of the corn market and a one way street. I don't think it is much better from the other sides of the city.
There have been massive improvements to cycle ways in Worcester but the main block to people ditching their cars is safe access by bike direct into the very heart of the city centre. Coming from the Tything there is a bus & cycle lane, which suddenly ends in front of the corn market and a one way street. I don't think it is much better from the other sides of the city. Froggybelle
  • Score: 7

12:22am Tue 22 Jul 14

Rita Jelfs says...

If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.
If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: -6

8:57am Tue 22 Jul 14

CJH says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.
But this isn't Australia is it? They don't have the same infrastructure as we do - we have many narrow paths and roads, especially in urban areas, which are not suited to doing that. Like the USA, most of their towns and cities are relatively recent compared to our ancient highways and byways. Sharing is not safe for either cyclists or pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.[/p][/quote]But this isn't Australia is it? They don't have the same infrastructure as we do - we have many narrow paths and roads, especially in urban areas, which are not suited to doing that. Like the USA, most of their towns and cities are relatively recent compared to our ancient highways and byways. Sharing is not safe for either cyclists or pedestrians. CJH
  • Score: 17

10:17am Tue 22 Jul 14

BanjoLegs says...

How about creating a decent safe cycle way between Worcester and Malvern? Can't be that difficult.
How about creating a decent safe cycle way between Worcester and Malvern? Can't be that difficult. BanjoLegs
  • Score: 1

12:50pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

Quite a change of tone ( and very welcome) from the Worcester News from that of a few months ago. Google "Cyclists are a Nuisance on the Road" http://www.worcester
news.co.uk/features/
fairpoint/10800707.C
yclists_are_a_nuisan
ce_on_the_road/

Cynically I might suggest they realise they got the tone very much out of step with the times last November and now realise there is more local good-will and advertising revenue to be had by sensibly reporting local cycling initiatives rather than contemplating using ones motor vehicle to knock cyclists off their bikes. I for one am willing to give the WN the benefit of the doubt and thank James Cornell for a "proper" piece of reporting.


Cyclists are a nuisance on the road

3:10pm Monday 11th November 2013 in Fair Point Worcester News: By James Connell

AS the obesity epidemic spreads, boffins predict that by the year 3050 human beings will have overtaken the blue whale as the largest mammal on earth.

Forget rising sea levels – the human race will already have drowned in a sea of lard, grease and chip fat as we waddle our way to a self-inflicted Armageddon.

Meanwhile, an army of gurus, quacks and false prophets are laughing all the way to the bank as they climb the soap box (or should that be the biscuit tin?) to tell us the best way to lose weight before our collective mass throws the earth out of orbit and we spiral uncontrollably into the freezing abyss of space.

One of the solutions some advance to combat our expanding girth is cycling.

Dear God. No.

Let’s face it, cyclists are a nuisance and should be banned from the roads immediately.

I would rather see more fat people than cyclists.

What is it about climbing into a saddle that suddenly causes human beings to abandon common sense, reason and common courtesy? Is there some hidden property in Lycra that turns people into complete prats?

Are those shorts so tight they cut off the oxygen supply to the brain? I’ve lost count of the times these muppets have nearly mown me down on the Sabrina Bridge.

Now, in the interests of fairness, they are riding on a cycle lane and they have every right to be there.

But it’s like they think they’re Bradley Wiggins.

On the road they behave like spoiled brats, breaking every rule motorists are forced to slavishly obey – or risk having their licence taken off them.

In the last week I’ve seen a cyclist ride at full speed across a zebra crossing without looking before flipping the finger at a helpless driver who had to anchor on to avoid knocking the idiot off his bike.

I would have been tempted to put my foot down.

They regularly go through red lights or ride two abreast as if to deliberately obstruct drivers.

The rules just don’t apply to these “lycra loonies” as one of our readers dubbed them.

While we’re on the subject we should also ban horses from the roads.

“Horses were there first” someone will whinge. Yes they were. So was feudalism.

What’s your point again? If cyclists want to ride I suggest they talk to India. They have a burgeoning space programme. I hear Mars is nice at this time of year.
Quite a change of tone ( and very welcome) from the Worcester News from that of a few months ago. Google "Cyclists are a Nuisance on the Road" http://www.worcester news.co.uk/features/ fairpoint/10800707.C yclists_are_a_nuisan ce_on_the_road/ Cynically I might suggest they realise they got the tone very much out of step with the times last November and now realise there is more local good-will and advertising revenue to be had by sensibly reporting local cycling initiatives rather than contemplating using ones motor vehicle to knock cyclists off their bikes. I for one am willing to give the WN the benefit of the doubt and thank James Cornell for a "proper" piece of reporting. Cyclists are a nuisance on the road 3:10pm Monday 11th November 2013 in Fair Point Worcester News: By James Connell AS the obesity epidemic spreads, boffins predict that by the year 3050 human beings will have overtaken the blue whale as the largest mammal on earth. Forget rising sea levels – the human race will already have drowned in a sea of lard, grease and chip fat as we waddle our way to a self-inflicted Armageddon. Meanwhile, an army of gurus, quacks and false prophets are laughing all the way to the bank as they climb the soap box (or should that be the biscuit tin?) to tell us the best way to lose weight before our collective mass throws the earth out of orbit and we spiral uncontrollably into the freezing abyss of space. One of the solutions some advance to combat our expanding girth is cycling. Dear God. No. Let’s face it, cyclists are a nuisance and should be banned from the roads immediately. I would rather see more fat people than cyclists. What is it about climbing into a saddle that suddenly causes human beings to abandon common sense, reason and common courtesy? Is there some hidden property in Lycra that turns people into complete prats? Are those shorts so tight they cut off the oxygen supply to the brain? I’ve lost count of the times these muppets have nearly mown me down on the Sabrina Bridge. Now, in the interests of fairness, they are riding on a cycle lane and they have every right to be there. But it’s like they think they’re Bradley Wiggins. On the road they behave like spoiled brats, breaking every rule motorists are forced to slavishly obey – or risk having their licence taken off them. In the last week I’ve seen a cyclist ride at full speed across a zebra crossing without looking before flipping the finger at a helpless driver who had to anchor on to avoid knocking the idiot off his bike. I would have been tempted to put my foot down. They regularly go through red lights or ride two abreast as if to deliberately obstruct drivers. The rules just don’t apply to these “lycra loonies” as one of our readers dubbed them. While we’re on the subject we should also ban horses from the roads. “Horses were there first” someone will whinge. Yes they were. So was feudalism. What’s your point again? If cyclists want to ride I suggest they talk to India. They have a burgeoning space programme. I hear Mars is nice at this time of year. Bufton Tufton
  • Score: -4

1:24pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.
I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.[/p][/quote]I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares? Bufton Tufton
  • Score: 6

1:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

Froggybelle wrote:
There have been massive improvements to cycle ways in Worcester but the main block to people ditching their cars is safe access by bike direct into the very heart of the city centre. Coming from the Tything there is a bus & cycle lane, which suddenly ends in front of the corn market and a one way street. I don't think it is much better from the other sides of the city.
Some people find a very good route out of the city centre is to cycle on the shared pedestrian/cycle path alongside the river, depending on ones destination of course.
[quote][p][bold]Froggybelle[/bold] wrote: There have been massive improvements to cycle ways in Worcester but the main block to people ditching their cars is safe access by bike direct into the very heart of the city centre. Coming from the Tything there is a bus & cycle lane, which suddenly ends in front of the corn market and a one way street. I don't think it is much better from the other sides of the city.[/p][/quote]Some people find a very good route out of the city centre is to cycle on the shared pedestrian/cycle path alongside the river, depending on ones destination of course. Bufton Tufton
  • Score: 2

1:31pm Tue 22 Jul 14

New Kid on the Block says...

Bufton Tufton wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.
I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?
As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away.
This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News.
That is the point of my petty comment.
[quote][p][bold]Bufton Tufton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.[/p][/quote]I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?[/p][/quote]As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away. This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News. That is the point of my petty comment. New Kid on the Block
  • Score: -5

1:37pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

CJH wrote:
We don't need Boris. We have our own buffoons thank you.
How about Keith the transgender seal' as a Boris-like champion for cycling in Worcester?
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: We don't need Boris. We have our own buffoons thank you.[/p][/quote]How about Keith the transgender seal' as a Boris-like champion for cycling in Worcester? Bufton Tufton
  • Score: 3

1:40pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Bufton Tufton wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.
I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?
As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away.
This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News.
That is the point of my petty comment.
Apologies; I misread "nearly" for "nearby".
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bufton Tufton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.[/p][/quote]I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?[/p][/quote]As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away. This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News. That is the point of my petty comment.[/p][/quote]Apologies; I misread "nearly" for "nearby". Bufton Tufton
  • Score: 4

2:45pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Bushi says...

I'd love to cycle more, but the infrastructure needs to be in place. I honestly fear for peoples lives riding into Worcester at rush hour. There are lots of cycle lanes in Warndon villages but they're in such a bad state of repair you need a mountain bike to use them. I've seen people cycling on the road through Warndon Villages and been shouted to get on the cycle path.

We should look to Holland or Germany who have paths purely for people to cycle/roller blade on. They are so well used. But in this Country/County we think getting a figurehead will encourage everyone to ditch the car and jump on there bike.
I'd love to cycle more, but the infrastructure needs to be in place. I honestly fear for peoples lives riding into Worcester at rush hour. There are lots of cycle lanes in Warndon villages but they're in such a bad state of repair you need a mountain bike to use them. I've seen people cycling on the road through Warndon Villages and been shouted to get on the cycle path. We should look to Holland or Germany who have paths purely for people to cycle/roller blade on. They are so well used. But in this Country/County we think getting a figurehead will encourage everyone to ditch the car and jump on there bike. Bushi
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CJH says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Bufton Tufton wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.
I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?
As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away.
This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News.
That is the point of my petty comment.
Or it could be that that is where Gerry Taggart happened to be! And the location has nothing to do with anything. This story also appears in the Malvern Gazette by the way, and the article does say '...local cycling clubs in Worcester, Malvern, Droitwich, Evesham and Pershore...'. So, the world does not stop at the borders of Worcester City apparently! Who knew?
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bufton Tufton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.[/p][/quote]I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?[/p][/quote]As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away. This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News. That is the point of my petty comment.[/p][/quote]Or it could be that that is where Gerry Taggart happened to be! And the location has nothing to do with anything. This story also appears in the Malvern Gazette by the way, and the article does say '...local cycling clubs in Worcester, Malvern, Droitwich, Evesham and Pershore...'. So, the world does not stop at the borders of Worcester City apparently! Who knew? CJH
  • Score: 7

4:22pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Rita Jelfs says...

CJH wrote:
Rita Jelfs wrote:
If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.
But this isn't Australia is it? They don't have the same infrastructure as we do - we have many narrow paths and roads, especially in urban areas, which are not suited to doing that. Like the USA, most of their towns and cities are relatively recent compared to our ancient highways and byways. Sharing is not safe for either cyclists or pedestrians.
Their footpaths are built exactly the same width as those in villages and towns in the UK. There is a different mindset though. It is that children should not be expected to cycle on roads, hence footpaths are shared legally with pedestrians. Sharing is safe. Cyclists respect pedestrians, and give them courtesy. So children can cycle to school without going on a road. Not possible in the UK? If the mindset is changed it is.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.[/p][/quote]But this isn't Australia is it? They don't have the same infrastructure as we do - we have many narrow paths and roads, especially in urban areas, which are not suited to doing that. Like the USA, most of their towns and cities are relatively recent compared to our ancient highways and byways. Sharing is not safe for either cyclists or pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Their footpaths are built exactly the same width as those in villages and towns in the UK. There is a different mindset though. It is that children should not be expected to cycle on roads, hence footpaths are shared legally with pedestrians. Sharing is safe. Cyclists respect pedestrians, and give them courtesy. So children can cycle to school without going on a road. Not possible in the UK? If the mindset is changed it is. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: -3

5:22pm Tue 22 Jul 14

liketoknow says...

I've driven for 45 years , 40 of those professionally ; there is no way I would venture out on to a road on a bike. I just don't have the bottle . best of luck .
I've driven for 45 years , 40 of those professionally ; there is no way I would venture out on to a road on a bike. I just don't have the bottle . best of luck . liketoknow
  • Score: 3

6:20pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CJH says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
CJH wrote:
Rita Jelfs wrote:
If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.
But this isn't Australia is it? They don't have the same infrastructure as we do - we have many narrow paths and roads, especially in urban areas, which are not suited to doing that. Like the USA, most of their towns and cities are relatively recent compared to our ancient highways and byways. Sharing is not safe for either cyclists or pedestrians.
Their footpaths are built exactly the same width as those in villages and towns in the UK. There is a different mindset though. It is that children should not be expected to cycle on roads, hence footpaths are shared legally with pedestrians. Sharing is safe. Cyclists respect pedestrians, and give them courtesy. So children can cycle to school without going on a road. Not possible in the UK? If the mindset is changed it is.
Exactly the same width eh? Funny.
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.[/p][/quote]But this isn't Australia is it? They don't have the same infrastructure as we do - we have many narrow paths and roads, especially in urban areas, which are not suited to doing that. Like the USA, most of their towns and cities are relatively recent compared to our ancient highways and byways. Sharing is not safe for either cyclists or pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Their footpaths are built exactly the same width as those in villages and towns in the UK. There is a different mindset though. It is that children should not be expected to cycle on roads, hence footpaths are shared legally with pedestrians. Sharing is safe. Cyclists respect pedestrians, and give them courtesy. So children can cycle to school without going on a road. Not possible in the UK? If the mindset is changed it is.[/p][/quote]Exactly the same width eh? Funny. CJH
  • Score: 1

10:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

i-cycle says...

The County and City Council may have spent money on the new Diglis Bridge and tarted up a few kms of existing routes, but I doubt anyone could call this a 'cycle revolution'. Personally I doubt this or any of the other improvements would have been made unless someone else had paid for it or it was a condition of funding.

£4.5 Million sounds a lot, but that equates to £1.58 per person per year for Worcestershire. The County also reduced its dedicated cycle infrastructure budget to £nil 2 years ago.

Most large cities and counties such as Yorkshire have a different vision. They see that investing more in providing safer routes and encouraging more to cycle will deliver against public health, economic (and tourism), environmental priorities.

We know budgets are tight, but there are certainly lots of low cost improvements which could be made to improve facilities for cycling.
The County and City Council may have spent money on the new Diglis Bridge and tarted up a few kms of existing routes, but I doubt anyone could call this a 'cycle revolution'. Personally I doubt this or any of the other improvements would have been made unless someone else had paid for it or it was a condition of funding. £4.5 Million sounds a lot, but that equates to £1.58 per person per year for Worcestershire. The County also reduced its dedicated cycle infrastructure budget to £nil 2 years ago. Most large cities and counties such as Yorkshire have a different vision. They see that investing more in providing safer routes and encouraging more to cycle will deliver against public health, economic (and tourism), environmental priorities. We know budgets are tight, but there are certainly lots of low cost improvements which could be made to improve facilities for cycling. i-cycle
  • Score: 2

9:58am Wed 23 Jul 14

Perfman says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Bufton Tufton wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.
I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?
As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away.
This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News.
That is the point of my petty comment.
On a World scale we're nearly in France but we are not!
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bufton Tufton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.[/p][/quote]I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?[/p][/quote]As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away. This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News. That is the point of my petty comment.[/p][/quote]On a World scale we're nearly in France but we are not! Perfman
  • Score: 1

10:50am Wed 23 Jul 14

mistercatesby says...

This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H."
How lovely.
Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too.
If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.
This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H." How lovely. Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too. If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way. mistercatesby
  • Score: 9

11:26am Wed 23 Jul 14

liketoknow says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
CJH wrote:
Rita Jelfs wrote:
If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.
But this isn't Australia is it? They don't have the same infrastructure as we do - we have many narrow paths and roads, especially in urban areas, which are not suited to doing that. Like the USA, most of their towns and cities are relatively recent compared to our ancient highways and byways. Sharing is not safe for either cyclists or pedestrians.
Their footpaths are built exactly the same width as those in villages and towns in the UK. There is a different mindset though. It is that children should not be expected to cycle on roads, hence footpaths are shared legally with pedestrians. Sharing is safe. Cyclists respect pedestrians, and give them courtesy. So children can cycle to school without going on a road. Not possible in the UK? If the mindset is changed it is.
I don't think Australia is a very good example. almost 3 times as many people live in the United Kingdom.Even taking into account that most Ausralians live near the coastal areas.that's an awful lot of space to play with.
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: If the next generation is to encouraged to cycle, then being able to cycle to school safely is a priority. In Australia, children and adults are legally permitted to share urban footpaths with walkers. Hence a higher, safer cycling population.[/p][/quote]But this isn't Australia is it? They don't have the same infrastructure as we do - we have many narrow paths and roads, especially in urban areas, which are not suited to doing that. Like the USA, most of their towns and cities are relatively recent compared to our ancient highways and byways. Sharing is not safe for either cyclists or pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Their footpaths are built exactly the same width as those in villages and towns in the UK. There is a different mindset though. It is that children should not be expected to cycle on roads, hence footpaths are shared legally with pedestrians. Sharing is safe. Cyclists respect pedestrians, and give them courtesy. So children can cycle to school without going on a road. Not possible in the UK? If the mindset is changed it is.[/p][/quote]I don't think Australia is a very good example. almost 3 times as many people live in the United Kingdom.Even taking into account that most Ausralians live near the coastal areas.that's an awful lot of space to play with. liketoknow
  • Score: 6

11:47am Wed 23 Jul 14

i-cycle says...

mistercatesby wrote:
This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H."
How lovely.
Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too.
If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.
I don't know the particular circumstances, but there's certainly no excuse for such an over-reaction. Its things like this that give cyclists a bad name.

That said most motorists don't appear to know that cyclists are allowed to ride two abreast, about a metre away from the kerb and that a passing vehicle should give them at least as much room (about 1.5M?) as if they were passing another car. Its also recommend that cyclists move out when passing parked cars and junctions and take a mid road position to stop a car passing where there's not enough room for them to safely do so.

We're not doing this to be awkward, yet all too often cyclists gets verbal abuse and worse from motorists that's completely unwarranted.

Whether or not this is fuelled by the urban myth that cyclists have less of a right to use the highways because they don't pay "Road Tax' or not our roads would be safer and 'friendlier' if all road users were more considerate to others.
[quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H." How lovely. Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too. If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.[/p][/quote]I don't know the particular circumstances, but there's certainly no excuse for such an over-reaction. Its things like this that give cyclists a bad name. That said most motorists don't appear to know that cyclists are allowed to ride two abreast, about a metre away from the kerb and that a passing vehicle should give them at least as much room (about 1.5M?) as if they were passing another car. Its also recommend that cyclists move out when passing parked cars and junctions and take a mid road position to stop a car passing where there's not enough room for them to safely do so. We're not doing this to be awkward, yet all too often cyclists gets verbal abuse and worse from motorists that's completely unwarranted. Whether or not this is fuelled by the urban myth that cyclists have less of a right to use the highways because they don't pay "Road Tax' or not our roads would be safer and 'friendlier' if all road users were more considerate to others. i-cycle
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mistercatesby says...

i-cycle wrote:
mistercatesby wrote:
This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H."
How lovely.
Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too.
If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.
I don't know the particular circumstances, but there's certainly no excuse for such an over-reaction. Its things like this that give cyclists a bad name.

That said most motorists don't appear to know that cyclists are allowed to ride two abreast, about a metre away from the kerb and that a passing vehicle should give them at least as much room (about 1.5M?) as if they were passing another car. Its also recommend that cyclists move out when passing parked cars and junctions and take a mid road position to stop a car passing where there's not enough room for them to safely do so.

We're not doing this to be awkward, yet all too often cyclists gets verbal abuse and worse from motorists that's completely unwarranted.

Whether or not this is fuelled by the urban myth that cyclists have less of a right to use the highways because they don't pay "Road Tax' or not our roads would be safer and 'friendlier' if all road users were more considerate to others.
Actually:
From Rules for Cyclists https://www.gov.uk/r
ules-for-cyclists-59
-to-82/overview-59-t
o-71

"never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends"

Pershore High Street is a busy road and it's narrow for a main road. It also had cars parked on one side. Perhaps I wasn't clear- the cyclists were not cycling, they had stopped whilst on their bikes opposite a parked car and were talking.

I don't dislike all cyclists and I think people tend to remember bad experienced over normal/good ones. So it always seems like you have more bad experiences than good.
[quote][p][bold]i-cycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H." How lovely. Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too. If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.[/p][/quote]I don't know the particular circumstances, but there's certainly no excuse for such an over-reaction. Its things like this that give cyclists a bad name. That said most motorists don't appear to know that cyclists are allowed to ride two abreast, about a metre away from the kerb and that a passing vehicle should give them at least as much room (about 1.5M?) as if they were passing another car. Its also recommend that cyclists move out when passing parked cars and junctions and take a mid road position to stop a car passing where there's not enough room for them to safely do so. We're not doing this to be awkward, yet all too often cyclists gets verbal abuse and worse from motorists that's completely unwarranted. Whether or not this is fuelled by the urban myth that cyclists have less of a right to use the highways because they don't pay "Road Tax' or not our roads would be safer and 'friendlier' if all road users were more considerate to others.[/p][/quote]Actually: From Rules for Cyclists https://www.gov.uk/r ules-for-cyclists-59 -to-82/overview-59-t o-71 "never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends" Pershore High Street is a busy road and it's narrow for a main road. It also had cars parked on one side. Perhaps I wasn't clear- the cyclists were not cycling, they had stopped whilst on their bikes opposite a parked car and were talking. I don't dislike all cyclists and I think people tend to remember bad experienced over normal/good ones. So it always seems like you have more bad experiences than good. mistercatesby
  • Score: 6

1:48pm Wed 23 Jul 14

i-cycle says...

mistercatesby wrote:
i-cycle wrote:
mistercatesby wrote:
This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H."
How lovely.
Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too.
If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.
I don't know the particular circumstances, but there's certainly no excuse for such an over-reaction. Its things like this that give cyclists a bad name.

That said most motorists don't appear to know that cyclists are allowed to ride two abreast, about a metre away from the kerb and that a passing vehicle should give them at least as much room (about 1.5M?) as if they were passing another car. Its also recommend that cyclists move out when passing parked cars and junctions and take a mid road position to stop a car passing where there's not enough room for them to safely do so.

We're not doing this to be awkward, yet all too often cyclists gets verbal abuse and worse from motorists that's completely unwarranted.

Whether or not this is fuelled by the urban myth that cyclists have less of a right to use the highways because they don't pay "Road Tax' or not our roads would be safer and 'friendlier' if all road users were more considerate to others.
Actually:
From Rules for Cyclists https://www.gov.uk/r

ules-for-cyclists-59

-to-82/overview-59-t

o-71

"never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends"

Pershore High Street is a busy road and it's narrow for a main road. It also had cars parked on one side. Perhaps I wasn't clear- the cyclists were not cycling, they had stopped whilst on their bikes opposite a parked car and were talking.

I don't dislike all cyclists and I think people tend to remember bad experienced over normal/good ones. So it always seems like you have more bad experiences than good.
100% agree with you.

My comments were general rather than about this specific case where I think the cyclists should not have been obstructing the highway and no excuse for the road rage that followed. Its uncalled for and as you have quite rightly demonstrated, counter productive in fostering more considerate road use by drivers and cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i-cycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H." How lovely. Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too. If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.[/p][/quote]I don't know the particular circumstances, but there's certainly no excuse for such an over-reaction. Its things like this that give cyclists a bad name. That said most motorists don't appear to know that cyclists are allowed to ride two abreast, about a metre away from the kerb and that a passing vehicle should give them at least as much room (about 1.5M?) as if they were passing another car. Its also recommend that cyclists move out when passing parked cars and junctions and take a mid road position to stop a car passing where there's not enough room for them to safely do so. We're not doing this to be awkward, yet all too often cyclists gets verbal abuse and worse from motorists that's completely unwarranted. Whether or not this is fuelled by the urban myth that cyclists have less of a right to use the highways because they don't pay "Road Tax' or not our roads would be safer and 'friendlier' if all road users were more considerate to others.[/p][/quote]Actually: From Rules for Cyclists https://www.gov.uk/r ules-for-cyclists-59 -to-82/overview-59-t o-71 "never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends" Pershore High Street is a busy road and it's narrow for a main road. It also had cars parked on one side. Perhaps I wasn't clear- the cyclists were not cycling, they had stopped whilst on their bikes opposite a parked car and were talking. I don't dislike all cyclists and I think people tend to remember bad experienced over normal/good ones. So it always seems like you have more bad experiences than good.[/p][/quote]100% agree with you. My comments were general rather than about this specific case where I think the cyclists should not have been obstructing the highway and no excuse for the road rage that followed. Its uncalled for and as you have quite rightly demonstrated, counter productive in fostering more considerate road use by drivers and cyclists. i-cycle
  • Score: -1

7:58pm Wed 23 Jul 14

04smallmj says...

My random thoughts.

Firstly, this isn't about "cyclists", this is about people, and living in a much nicer place where you can have several transport options, kids can play outside (and cycle to school) without getting run over and you don't have to breathe car fumes in all day. Cycling infrastructure is part of being less car-centric.

Secondly, Boris isn't exactly what we need, since he isn't actually that bothered about decent cycling infra. It's obvious from his comments about London being safe to cycle in if you keep your wits about you.

Councillor John Smith's comment is just hilarious, it's the typical political comment that I was expecting. The council don't care, and never have cared about cycling. There is so much that they could do to create cycling and walking infra, but they like to give all of the roads to private motor traffic. They have even given up on the Park and Ride at Perdiswell. The Dutch have narrow roads too by the way, but they use their space differently. And on a similar topic, from reading the comments, why would you use Australia as an example of good transport infrastructure? It is one of the most car-centric countries, if not the most car-centric country.

The problem with the lack of decent cycling infra in the UK starts with the government though. If they don't give local authorities a good amount of money to spend, and provide it consistently then we'll never get good transport infra.
My random thoughts. Firstly, this isn't about "cyclists", this is about people, and living in a much nicer place where you can have several transport options, kids can play outside (and cycle to school) without getting run over and you don't have to breathe car fumes in all day. Cycling infrastructure is part of being less car-centric. Secondly, Boris isn't exactly what we need, since he isn't actually that bothered about decent cycling infra. It's obvious from his comments about London being safe to cycle in if you keep your wits about you. Councillor John Smith's comment is just hilarious, it's the typical political comment that I was expecting. The council don't care, and never have cared about cycling. There is so much that they could do to create cycling and walking infra, but they like to give all of the roads to private motor traffic. They have even given up on the Park and Ride at Perdiswell. The Dutch have narrow roads too by the way, but they use their space differently. And on a similar topic, from reading the comments, why would you use Australia as an example of good transport infrastructure? It is one of the most car-centric countries, if not the most car-centric country. The problem with the lack of decent cycling infra in the UK starts with the government though. If they don't give local authorities a good amount of money to spend, and provide it consistently then we'll never get good transport infra. 04smallmj
  • Score: 2

10:19pm Wed 23 Jul 14

3thinker says...

A couple of thoughtful posts.

Are the County Council's stated policies focused on reducing car use? YES.

Are they delivering on their policies. NO.

If they did re-prioritise even limited budgets could they make Worcester and Worcestershire a better, more pleasant, healthier and wealthier place to live. Certainly.

Have the current Cabinet at the County Council got the vision to realise the potential and to do anything about it. Probably not if the facile comments made by a certain Cllr John Smith have anything to do about it.

Perhaps time for Hardman to follow Cameron in a purge of the pale, male and stale and give some new blood with a bit more vision and connection to what the future could be. Will he do it. Most unlikely was it would challenge his myopic view of the world.

And all this from politicians we elect to represent our and our children's current and future interests. Admittedly central government has been emaciated by this and previous Labour and Conservative Governments. Whilst this constrains budgets its should't constrain vision to use what's left in ways that could deliver multiple benefits and cost effectively.

The penny has dropped in many other councils that there are many benefits to be gained from encouraging active travel and discouraging car use at peak times. So what do Worcestershire and the City Council do? Exactly the opposite.

On cycling alone the national experts, including Parliament and Government are saying we need to spend just £10 per person per annum on improved cycle infrastructure. For Worcestershire that's £5.6M per annum not £4.5 M over 5 years.
A couple of thoughtful posts. Are the County Council's stated policies focused on reducing car use? YES. Are they delivering on their policies. NO. If they did re-prioritise even limited budgets could they make Worcester and Worcestershire a better, more pleasant, healthier and wealthier place to live. Certainly. Have the current Cabinet at the County Council got the vision to realise the potential and to do anything about it. Probably not if the facile comments made by a certain Cllr John Smith have anything to do about it. Perhaps time for Hardman to follow Cameron in a purge of the pale, male and stale and give some new blood with a bit more vision and connection to what the future could be. Will he do it. Most unlikely was it would challenge his myopic view of the world. And all this from politicians we elect to represent our and our children's current and future interests. Admittedly central government has been emaciated by this and previous Labour and Conservative Governments. Whilst this constrains budgets its should't constrain vision to use what's left in ways that could deliver multiple benefits and cost effectively. The penny has dropped in many other councils that there are many benefits to be gained from encouraging active travel and discouraging car use at peak times. So what do Worcestershire and the City Council do? Exactly the opposite. On cycling alone the national experts, including Parliament and Government are saying we need to spend just £10 per person per annum on improved cycle infrastructure. For Worcestershire that's £5.6M per annum not £4.5 M over 5 years. 3thinker
  • Score: 0

11:47pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Mike5305 says...

We need to start seeing the road network as a transport system where everyone has equal rights regardless of their mode of travel. Unfortunately too many see the roads as their private track and treat other users as obstacles to their progress.

I speak as a car driver, a motorcyclist and a cyclist.
We need to start seeing the road network as a transport system where everyone has equal rights regardless of their mode of travel. Unfortunately too many see the roads as their private track and treat other users as obstacles to their progress. I speak as a car driver, a motorcyclist and a cyclist. Mike5305
  • Score: 4

9:07am Thu 24 Jul 14

3thinker says...

Mike5305 wrote:
We need to start seeing the road network as a transport system where everyone has equal rights regardless of their mode of travel. Unfortunately too many see the roads as their private track and treat other users as obstacles to their progress.

I speak as a car driver, a motorcyclist and a cyclist.
Spot On.
[quote][p][bold]Mike5305[/bold] wrote: We need to start seeing the road network as a transport system where everyone has equal rights regardless of their mode of travel. Unfortunately too many see the roads as their private track and treat other users as obstacles to their progress. I speak as a car driver, a motorcyclist and a cyclist.[/p][/quote]Spot On. 3thinker
  • Score: 2

11:17am Thu 24 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

mistercatesby wrote:
This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H."
How lovely.
Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too.
If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.
Re "(wearing lyrca),also all in lycra"; why is this significant? Half the populations underwear contains lycra, look at the label in your underpants! You may get a big surprise.
[quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H." How lovely. Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too. If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.[/p][/quote]Re "(wearing lyrca),also all in lycra"; why is this significant? Half the populations underwear contains lycra, look at the label in your underpants! You may get a big surprise. Bufton Tufton
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Thu 24 Jul 14

malverncyclist says...

I think part of the problem is that politicians' responses are not necessarily backed up with Councils' (the County and the Districts') actions. I cycle from Malvern to the far side of Worcester every day to/from work and use Diglis bridge, great ride. However, part of the reason is that the route I'd prefer to take is not good enough, along the southern Link road: it's too narrow, the surface is awful and it's constantly made narrower by being overgrown. If cyclists were involved on an ongoing basis in the planning of cycle routes and how they are maintained we would make huge progress in people feeling safe and encourage to cycle !!!
I think part of the problem is that politicians' responses are not necessarily backed up with Councils' (the County and the Districts') actions. I cycle from Malvern to the far side of Worcester every day to/from work and use Diglis bridge, great ride. However, part of the reason is that the route I'd prefer to take is not good enough, along the southern Link road: it's too narrow, the surface is awful and it's constantly made narrower by being overgrown. If cyclists were involved on an ongoing basis in the planning of cycle routes and how they are maintained we would make huge progress in people feeling safe and encourage to cycle !!! malverncyclist
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Thu 24 Jul 14

malverncyclist says...

Just to add - I don't believe the that the original article was meant to generate the usual defensive responses by people who - when they were young - cycled and then gave it up in favour of using a car. We all pay taxes and these taxes fund - amongst other things - our road network. Most people I would assume have both a car and a bicycle and would just like their fair share of infrastructure that is safe to use (and no, car tax does NOT fund roads, that's a rather persistent urban myth!). The problem doesn't really lie with people like me who clock up some 6000+ miles a year on a bicycle (commuting and leisure/sports) but for all those would could be persuaded to cycle (yet another car off the road) and fear that due to the amount of traffic and non existing or unsafe "cycle paths" won't do it. Don't therefore point to India, hop across the Channel and take a leaf out of France's, Belgium's, Holland's and Germany's leaf - great motorists' attitude, planners' attitude and road infrastructure!!!
Just to add - I don't believe the that the original article was meant to generate the usual defensive responses by people who - when they were young - cycled and then gave it up in favour of using a car. We all pay taxes and these taxes fund - amongst other things - our road network. Most people I would assume have both a car and a bicycle and would just like their fair share of infrastructure that is safe to use (and no, car tax does NOT fund roads, that's a rather persistent urban myth!). The problem doesn't really lie with people like me who clock up some 6000+ miles a year on a bicycle (commuting and leisure/sports) but for all those would could be persuaded to cycle (yet another car off the road) and fear that due to the amount of traffic and non existing or unsafe "cycle paths" won't do it. Don't therefore point to India, hop across the Channel and take a leaf out of France's, Belgium's, Holland's and Germany's leaf - great motorists' attitude, planners' attitude and road infrastructure!!! malverncyclist
  • Score: 3

8:18am Fri 25 Jul 14

mistercatesby says...

Bufton Tufton wrote:
mistercatesby wrote:
This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H."
How lovely.
Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too.
If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.
Re "(wearing lyrca),also all in lycra"; why is this significant? Half the populations underwear contains lycra, look at the label in your underpants! You may get a big surprise.
I wanted to demonstrate that they were cyclists who were more than likely in a club. There is no getting away from the fact that those cyclists that wear lycra are viewed as 'serious' cyclists.
BTW- not sure why you felt the need to mention my underwear. What's that got to do with anything? A tad weird...........
[quote][p][bold]Bufton Tufton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: This past weekend in Pershore, I was walking along the High Street with my kids, when a cyclist (wearing lyrca) mounted the pavement and did a u turn to shout at a car. The car was being held up by three cyclists opposite him (also all in lycra possibly with the uturn man) who had lined up next to one another - near enough 3 deep- to have a chat, making it impossible for the car to get past. The car driver was remonstrating with the cyclists as they couldn't get past. Uturn man then proceeded start shouting at the car driver (whilst still on the pavement) The cyclists moved and the car could proceed. The Uturn man followed (undertaking cars) and could be heard shouting at the car driver "Get some exercise you fat B***H." How lovely. Not only were all the cyclists in the wrong, they were rude and abusive too. If that's how you are going to behave in Pershore, please stay away. I don't want my children to have to hear supposedly grown men talking to women that way.[/p][/quote]Re "(wearing lyrca),also all in lycra"; why is this significant? Half the populations underwear contains lycra, look at the label in your underpants! You may get a big surprise.[/p][/quote]I wanted to demonstrate that they were cyclists who were more than likely in a club. There is no getting away from the fact that those cyclists that wear lycra are viewed as 'serious' cyclists. BTW- not sure why you felt the need to mention my underwear. What's that got to do with anything? A tad weird........... mistercatesby
  • Score: 2

8:22am Fri 25 Jul 14

mistercatesby says...

To add...
There are currently roadworks on the B4084 just outside of Pershore. Traffic is being controlled by traffic lights. Yesterday, although on red for oncoming traffic and on green for us, it didn't stop a lycra-wearing (ie serious) cyclist from ignoring the red light and cycling into oncoming traffic on their side of the road.
To add... There are currently roadworks on the B4084 just outside of Pershore. Traffic is being controlled by traffic lights. Yesterday, although on red for oncoming traffic and on green for us, it didn't stop a lycra-wearing (ie serious) cyclist from ignoring the red light and cycling into oncoming traffic on their side of the road. mistercatesby
  • Score: 3

9:44am Fri 25 Jul 14

CJH says...

mistercatesby wrote:
To add...
There are currently roadworks on the B4084 just outside of Pershore. Traffic is being controlled by traffic lights. Yesterday, although on red for oncoming traffic and on green for us, it didn't stop a lycra-wearing (ie serious) cyclist from ignoring the red light and cycling into oncoming traffic on their side of the road.
They may not be serious cyclists. They may just be serious about Lycra... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: To add... There are currently roadworks on the B4084 just outside of Pershore. Traffic is being controlled by traffic lights. Yesterday, although on red for oncoming traffic and on green for us, it didn't stop a lycra-wearing (ie serious) cyclist from ignoring the red light and cycling into oncoming traffic on their side of the road.[/p][/quote]They may not be serious cyclists. They may just be serious about Lycra... ;-) CJH
  • Score: 6

9:47am Fri 25 Jul 14

3thinker says...

mistercatesby wrote:
To add...
There are currently roadworks on the B4084 just outside of Pershore. Traffic is being controlled by traffic lights. Yesterday, although on red for oncoming traffic and on green for us, it didn't stop a lycra-wearing (ie serious) cyclist from ignoring the red light and cycling into oncoming traffic on their side of the road.
I'm sure everyone can point to lots of incidents each and every time they use the roads of motorists and cyclists breaking the highway code.

Surely what we should all be focussing on is encouraging all road users to obey the law and be more considerate to other road users and particularly those who are more vulnerable.

I'm sure mistercatesby is a decent enough chap and good driver, but I'd guess that he'd be the first to agree that there are times when he, inadvertently or otherwise, exceeds a speed limit or some other infringement.

I hope he'll feel able to join with me in being critical of all road users who don't respect the highway code rather than single out an individual and then by implication suggest all cyclists are irresponsible.
[quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: To add... There are currently roadworks on the B4084 just outside of Pershore. Traffic is being controlled by traffic lights. Yesterday, although on red for oncoming traffic and on green for us, it didn't stop a lycra-wearing (ie serious) cyclist from ignoring the red light and cycling into oncoming traffic on their side of the road.[/p][/quote]I'm sure everyone can point to lots of incidents each and every time they use the roads of motorists and cyclists breaking the highway code. Surely what we should all be focussing on is encouraging all road users to obey the law and be more considerate to other road users and particularly those who are more vulnerable. I'm sure mistercatesby is a decent enough chap and good driver, but I'd guess that he'd be the first to agree that there are times when he, inadvertently or otherwise, exceeds a speed limit or some other infringement. I hope he'll feel able to join with me in being critical of all road users who don't respect the highway code rather than single out an individual and then by implication suggest all cyclists are irresponsible. 3thinker
  • Score: 3

8:11pm Fri 25 Jul 14

mistercatesby says...

3thinker wrote:
mistercatesby wrote:
To add...
There are currently roadworks on the B4084 just outside of Pershore. Traffic is being controlled by traffic lights. Yesterday, although on red for oncoming traffic and on green for us, it didn't stop a lycra-wearing (ie serious) cyclist from ignoring the red light and cycling into oncoming traffic on their side of the road.
I'm sure everyone can point to lots of incidents each and every time they use the roads of motorists and cyclists breaking the highway code.

Surely what we should all be focussing on is encouraging all road users to obey the law and be more considerate to other road users and particularly those who are more vulnerable.

I'm sure mistercatesby is a decent enough chap and good driver, but I'd guess that he'd be the first to agree that there are times when he, inadvertently or otherwise, exceeds a speed limit or some other infringement.

I hope he'll feel able to join with me in being critical of all road users who don't respect the highway code rather than single out an individual and then by implication suggest all cyclists are irresponsible.
No implication....the article is about cyclists, therefore my points are about cyclists. :) Also I'm a Miss. Just like the name mistercatesby.
[quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistercatesby[/bold] wrote: To add... There are currently roadworks on the B4084 just outside of Pershore. Traffic is being controlled by traffic lights. Yesterday, although on red for oncoming traffic and on green for us, it didn't stop a lycra-wearing (ie serious) cyclist from ignoring the red light and cycling into oncoming traffic on their side of the road.[/p][/quote]I'm sure everyone can point to lots of incidents each and every time they use the roads of motorists and cyclists breaking the highway code. Surely what we should all be focussing on is encouraging all road users to obey the law and be more considerate to other road users and particularly those who are more vulnerable. I'm sure mistercatesby is a decent enough chap and good driver, but I'd guess that he'd be the first to agree that there are times when he, inadvertently or otherwise, exceeds a speed limit or some other infringement. I hope he'll feel able to join with me in being critical of all road users who don't respect the highway code rather than single out an individual and then by implication suggest all cyclists are irresponsible.[/p][/quote]No implication....the article is about cyclists, therefore my points are about cyclists. :) Also I'm a Miss. Just like the name mistercatesby. mistercatesby
  • Score: -4

10:16am Tue 29 Jul 14

Gerry Taggart says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Bufton Tufton wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.
I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?
As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away.
This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News.
That is the point of my petty comment.
I was on my way up to The Worcestershire Beacon, when I stopped to admire the wonderful view from The Wyche Cutting.

This is a great spot to watch out for the Tour of Britain riders there on 10 September, when our beautiful County ( even its edges) will feature. And the pub's good too!
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bufton Tufton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: A picture taken in Worcester might have been a good idea, instead of one taken nearly in Herefordshire.[/p][/quote]I cannot resist counteracting one petty comment on a serious article, with another. This is NOT Herefordshire but Worcestershire near the Wyche , Malvern. The Herefordshire border is just out of sight "round the bend" But who cares?[/p][/quote]As I said and you confirmed it is nearly in Herefordshire, the border is less than 100 yards away. This is yet another example of WN journalists using photos that are taken anywhere but Worcester in a paper that is called Worcester News. That is the point of my petty comment.[/p][/quote]I was on my way up to The Worcestershire Beacon, when I stopped to admire the wonderful view from The Wyche Cutting. This is a great spot to watch out for the Tour of Britain riders there on 10 September, when our beautiful County ( even its edges) will feature. And the pub's good too! Gerry Taggart
  • Score: 4

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